I 4 bet AK PF...oops? Now what?

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Aleeki

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I think i might have got this all wrong, but then again i'm not sure.

Can I play AK like this PF or should I just have flatted his raise? If so how should I proceed on the flop?

Villian is 17/9/5 over 72 hands. No other real reads or notes at this stage.


Stacks:

BTN with $52.00
SB with $57.15
BB with $50.00
UTG with $85.95
MP with $100.65



hand.pl

Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
Dealt to MP:K♥ A♦
Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
1 players fold.
Hero raises $1.50 to $2
1 players fold.
SB raises $5 to $7
1 players fold.
Hero raises $15 to $22
SB calls [$15]
Total folds this street: 3
Potsize: $44.5
Flop: J♥ 7♠ 6♥
SB: checks Hero: checks
Potsize: $44.5
Turn: Q♠
SB bets [$35.15] [ all-in ]
Hero???
 
Effexor

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As played PF, since he only had $35.15 left I would have just put him all in on the flop. I'd just fold at this point.
 
WVHillbilly

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^^^^^Agreed.

Why did you check behind on the flop? You're representing AA/KK preflop. Do KK/AA hands check behind on that flop?
 
ChuckTs

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Well what worse hands call us on that flop? What better ones fold?

The guy's committed and his range is weighted towards basically JJ+, possibly TT or something like AQ/AK, but usually those hands will push/fold preflop. I'm not sure I like shoving the flop.
 
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He may feel committed to the pot and feel that you are weak because you didnt c-bet. Why would you check behind him? Although I think you may be beat, I dont think he is strong, he seems to be trying to steal the pot since you showed weakness. Though you may be beat, I think you call here. You reraised him preflop, and although it is possible that is he slowplaying, you have alot in the pot, and he doesnt appear too strong. Probably a small pp, but I call anyways.
 
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Aleeki

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I was thinking along the lines of what Chuck said.

However, I like to look more into how to actually play this if we do decide to 4 bet PF.

If we commit to doing this then should we also commit to pushing the flop regardless of what falls?

If so why don't we just push preflop for some extra fold equity?

As played I checked behind because I was trying to think what he would flat my 4 bet PF with.

He could, I guess do this with AA, wait for my CBet and then push the flop. I guess also though that he would have to be a tricky player to do this?

So the hands most likely that do this are: QQ, JJ, 10 10, AK, AQ. I would expect K K to push PF but I guess we can add this to his range.

His check on the flop didn't really mean a lot because I think if he called the 4 bet PF he was likely committing himself and I would probably be called if I shoved.

So my thinking on this and it maybe wrong is:

- If I am going to 4 bet PF...jI should just push PF or commit to doing it on the flop regardless.

I'm probably way off as still quite new to 6 max and the whole aggression needed. So please put me in my place or guide me in the right direction.
 
OzExorcist

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*Disclaimer: I have exactly zero experience with short-handed ring games*

I'm wondering how much the short-handedness of the game alters the ranges you expect to see here? Maybe not a great deal, I dunno.

The way I see it, your opening raise and villain's re-raise could mean anything - AA right down to low pocket pairs, a decent ace or two paint cards for either of you.

When you re-raise you're pretty much polarising your range to JJ+ / AQ+. Their flat call does much the same, though I suspect it eliminates AA / KK from their range. Being short-handed doesn't really throw screwy things like AJ/TT/99 into the mix does it?

As played I think you have to fold the turn - my Spidey Senses tell me this is probably an AQ/QQ that was scared you had AA/KK/JJ on the flop.
 
shinedown.45

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You have to ask yourself, "What hand would you hold to be willing to risk over 40% of your stack on?" which is exactly what villian has done here preflop and based on this and his aggressive all-in on the turn makes it an easy fold IMO
 
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