How do you play a SET - with no info on opponents?

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NL Holdem $20(BB)
HERO ($1500) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 19% | 3-Bet: 5.1% | Hands: 2795]
HJ ($1670) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 25.4% | 3-Bet: 15% | Hands: 87]
CO ($1490) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | hands: 4]
BTN ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
SB ($1480) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BB ($1690) [VPIP: 12.5% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 100% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]
UTG ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
EP ($1450) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
MP1 ($1500) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]

Dealt to Hero: T:heart: T:diamond:

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP1 Raises To $60, HERO Calls $60, HJ Raises To $220, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, MP1 Calls $160, HERO Calls $160

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.86 effective]
Flop ($690): 5:spade: 3:spade: T:spade:
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Checks

Turn ($690): 5:spade: 3:spade: T:spade: 8:club:
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Bets $345 (Rem. Stack: 1105), MP1 Calls $345 (Rem. Stack: 935), HERO Raises To $1280 (allin), HJ Raises To $1450 (allin), MP1 Calls $935 (allin)

River ($4700): 5:spade: 3:spade: T:spade: 8:club: J:heart:

HJ shows: A:spade: K:spade:
MP1 shows: J:diamond: 9:diamond:

HJ wins: $4530
 
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I don't like the check-raise all-in on the turn. Opponents can easily be slow-playing a flopped flush. A smooth call on the turn and then decide on rivers is the way to go. If we don;t improve to a full house, and face another sizeable bet, I think we can find a fold.
 
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In a live game, I would have considered the possibility of slow playing top set.. but online game, without not even pieces of info, for my part it deserves a bet..

The check-raise on the turn is not bad, but I find the all-in a little big. I go with SirYivx on that one... smoth call + fold on the river if you feel it or fold directly on the turn... which is still hard to do at this point.

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Thanks for answers

My first post here. Thanks for replying and good luck on tables. I appreciate your answers. Now thinking back i think i should MAYBE?! fold preflop after his reraise?! Or it is bad fold?
 
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You needed to bet that flop, with a small bet you can take some info about villains range.
 
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You played it fine I think. I'd probably bet the turn but it doesn't matter.
 
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My first post here. Thanks for replying and good luck on tables. I appreciate your answers. Now thinking back i think i should MAYBE?! fold preflop after his reraise?! Or it is bad fold?



I don’t think that you need to fold preflop, but with three spades in the flop, maybe you should be little cautious, play check-call, ,see river and then make decision to go all in or fold.
 
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against 2 opponents, %65pot bet flop. if two of them calls, control the pot size in turn and river.
 
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I would proceed with extreme caution after a bet and call in front of you in a multiway 3bet pot, probably call to see if you boat and most likely fold to a sizable river bet.
 
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first off I would've 3bet another round to run-up the pot and to also feel out how strong the other hands were {aggressive:if anyone shoves I snap call right here, passive if any one shove I fold}

secondly playing three handed looking at a flush draw on the flop I would min bet to see which other hands is on the draw I expect to see a raise right here if its not to high I call

and when the turn comes and doesn't hit the flush im all in anyway so it ultimately played out in what I really want to see

so now on to see if my trips stand up

no nuts no glory
 
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Personally, I don't like the flat call pre. If you have a better hand than MP, it is better to raise for value. As you are calling, when HJ raises, you can consider a 4-bet or a fold pre.

As you are playing for a set and calling to the flop, surely you have to bet when you hit your set. The board is tricky but you are still ahead enough of the time. With no info on opponents you have to put in a close to pot sized bet.

With info on opponents, you can min raise and induce a raise or a check-raise.

After the flop, the check is okay, the check-raise all-in on the turn makes no sense in my opinion. Are you ever getting called by worse hands?

Granted it is a cooler situation, but preventable by being more aggressive when in front, and being tighter when your opponents are still betting into you and you don't have the nuts.

In general it is better to slow play with a min raise on a rainbow board with no draws. On a board as this, it is better to play stronger pre and on the flop, and to somehow get away or at the very least do not come over the top if the opponent is still betting into you on later streets.
 
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Personally, I don't like the flat call pre. If you have a better hand than MP, it is better to raise for value. As you are calling, when HJ raises, you can consider a 4-bet or a fold pre.

As you are playing for a set and calling to the flop, surely you have to bet when you hit your set. The board is tricky but you are still ahead enough of the time. With no info on opponents you have to put in a close to pot sized bet.

With info on opponents, you can min raise and induce a raise or a check-raise.

After the flop, the check is okay, the check-raise all-in on the turn makes no sense in my opinion. Are you ever getting called by worse hands?

Granted it is a cooler situation, but preventable by being more aggressive when in front, and being tighter when your opponents are still betting into you and you don't have the nuts.

In general it is better to slow play with a min raise on a rainbow board with no draws. On a board as this, it is better to play stronger pre and on the flop, and to somehow get away or at the very least do not come over the top if the opponent is still betting into you on later streets.
As slow as possible until you know that the pot is yours.
 
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Sure there’s no info on opponent but there’s info on the board. With that being said, play solid until you get more info or a read
 
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odds of flopping the flush are 118 to 1, odds of them having a flush draw are much higher

With the amount of flush card draws possible on that flop I would have definitely bet to deny equity to my opponent in regards to drawing for the flush

I like your shove on the turn, against two opponents one of them most likely has a flush draw and the other has pocket pair or oesd as shown
 
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NL Holdem $20(BB)
HERO ($1500) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 19% | 3-Bet: 5.1% | Hands: 2795]
HJ ($1670) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 25.4% | 3-Bet: 15% | Hands: 87]
CO ($1490) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BTN ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
SB ($1480) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BB ($1690) [VPIP: 12.5% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 100% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]
UTG ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
EP ($1450) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
MP1 ($1500) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]

Dealt to Hero: T T

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP1 Raises To $60, HERO Calls $60, HJ Raises To $220, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, MP1 Calls $160, HERO Calls $160

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.86 effective]
Flop ($690): 5 3 T
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Checks

Turn ($690): 5 3 T 8
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Bets $345 (Rem. Stack: 1105), MP1 Calls $345 (Rem. Stack: 935), HERO Raises To $1280 (allin), HJ Raises To $1450 (allin), MP1 Calls $935 (allin)

River ($4700): 5 3 T 8 J

HJ shows: A K
MP1 shows: J 9

HJ wins: $4530



What was your thought process involving not betting the turn after the flop checked through. It really would not have changed anything for this particular hand, but I wouldnt want to risk giving a free river card given the three liner already on board. Just curious.
 
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NL Holdem $20(BB)
HERO ($1500) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 19% | 3-Bet: 5.1% | Hands: 2795]
HJ ($1670) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 25.4% | 3-Bet: 15% | Hands: 87]
CO ($1490) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BTN ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
SB ($1480) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BB ($1690) [VPIP: 12.5% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 100% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]
UTG ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
EP ($1450) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
MP1 ($1500) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]

Dealt to Hero: T T

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP1 Raises To $60, HERO Calls $60, HJ Raises To $220, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, MP1 Calls $160, HERO Calls $160

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.86 effective]
Flop ($690): 5 3 T
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Checks

Turn ($690): 5 3 T 8
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Bets $345 (Rem. Stack: 1105), MP1 Calls $345 (Rem. Stack: 935), HERO Raises To $1280 (allin), HJ Raises To $1450 (allin), MP1 Calls $935 (allin)

River ($4700): 5 3 T 8 J

HJ shows: A K
MP1 shows: J 9

HJ wins: $4530
i would keep raising then check the turn
 
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I mostly all in at micros. Sometimes check/raise.
 
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NL Holdem $20(BB)
HERO ($1500) [VPIP: 23.9% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 19% | 3-Bet: 5.1% | Hands: 2795]
HJ ($1670) [VPIP: 31.3% | PFR: 18.1% | AGG: 25.4% | 3-Bet: 15% | Hands: 87]
CO ($1490) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BTN ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
SB ($1480) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
BB ($1690) [VPIP: 12.5% | PFR: 12.5% | AGG: 100% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 8]
UTG ($1360) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
EP ($1450) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]
MP1 ($1500) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 0% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 4]

Dealt to Hero: T T

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP1 Raises To $60, HERO Calls $60, HJ Raises To $220, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, MP1 Calls $160, HERO Calls $160

Hero SPR on Flop: [1.86 effective]
Flop ($690): 5 3 T
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Checks

Turn ($690): 5 3 T 8
MP1 Checks, HERO Checks, HJ Bets $345 (Rem. Stack: 1105), MP1 Calls $345 (Rem. Stack: 935), HERO Raises To $1280 (allin), HJ Raises To $1450 (allin), MP1 Calls $935 (allin)

River ($4700): 5 3 T 8 J

HJ shows: A K
MP1 shows: J 9

HJ wins: $4530

First of all, we do not play Two Pair, Sets/Trips or straights: we play our range versus our opponent's range.
That being said, poker is a game of incomplete information, so it really doesn't matter if we do have a Set or a Quads given scenario.

The Preflop

Very nasty, because we are out of position, so we are basically calling to see if we do hit something strong. But hey, who am I to say a word about these limits?
I consider myself a fish and I plan never to play higher stakes than 200 NLHE, so I am a very weak player.

The postflop

It this was a regular poker hand, of a regular stake I would say that it is very bad to be raising all-in OTT, under the risk of getting paid only for hands that have us beat. But it is not a regular poker hand, so I don't really know it this is the right move or not.

PS: You should not post your hands here for analysis, because there is no one playing such high stakes poker. Do you really need advice from a guy like me who plays micro and at maximum, mid stakes?

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa
 
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I disagree with limp preflop If I have TT and multiple positions to speak. I think he would choose this line if he observed some very wide range and tried to induce his 3-bet for then make 4-bet/jam as bluff and I isolate with this open V. But this is not the case. All villains including the hero have fairly conservative betting patterns, until proven otherwise (biased samples). So if we believe that TT limits the following ranges of 4-bets for this table quite a bit then I prefer the preflop fold before putting dead money that will be lose almost 50% of the time with by better post-flop value scales.
As played I like the check line and then x / jam on the turn, since we are not blocking any flush nuts as well as any minor scales of sets for this board. The result was an absolute cooler and possibly in one way or another the hand would end with the stacks played.
Greetings.
 
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Yea I agree with some other posters here. I don't see how TT can be strong enough to flat pre then call the large 3 bet OOP but not strong enough to 3 bet ourselves. I would opt to 3 bet iso and fold to the cold 4 bet losing the minimum. If AKss somehow flats behind us then we still go broke with top set here on this run out. As played I prefer donk leading flop. We didn't have odds to set mine in my opinion as we aren't deep enough but we didn't really need to hit a set as we had the best hand pre. Post flop there are so few flush combos in a 3 bet pot and we still have decent equity to boat or quad up against them so I can't really imagine folding as we don't have good enough reads to get that out of line. It's possible we could avoid the cooler by 3 betting pre though.
 
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