Hand analysis; mischman's 25NL session

ChuckTs

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Tried making a little vid, but I'm tired + my voice is very boring + monotonous :(


Here are the key hands from the session w/ my analysis and commentary. Hope they help in some way.

pokerstars GAME #10145580411: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:15:32 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($35.95 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($43.05 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($50.15 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($44.10 in chips)
mischman: posts small blind $0.10
Bolltimor120: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [7d 2s]
mezzanin: folds
gare666: folds
BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
helmereersel: folds
Raiden66121: folds
mischman: calls $0.15

:/ obv fold preflop. I don't mind
it if we're vs a weak-tight player and can push him out postflop, but even then I'd prefer a raise. 72o = fold.

Bolltimor120: checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Qd 8s]
mischman: bets $0.75

not bad, but a little too much. When we make steals like this we want to bet somewhere between 1/2 the pot and the full pot. By betting so much, all we're doing is putting more money out when we run into a hand. We get the same effect as a .75 bet then we do with a .25-.50 bet I'd say.

Bolltimor120: folds
mischman collected $0.50 from pot
mischman: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.50 | Rake $0
Board [5h Qd 8s]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman (small blind) collected ($0.50)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)


POKERSTARS GAME #10145584806: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:15:55 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($35.95 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.80 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($50.15 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($44.10 in chips)
Bolltimor120: posts small blind $0.10
mezzanin: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [8d 7d]
gare666: calls $0.25
BlizzyG: calls $0.25
kruemli: folds
helmereersel: folds
Raiden66121: folds
mischman: calls $0.25

Great spot for 78s; limp is fine.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d Ad 8c]
mezzanin: bets $0.25

Very very weak bet; my guess would be an 8 or 4 or even a draw.

Mr.Kalabassi joins the table at seat #2
gare666: folds
BlizzyG: folds
mischman: raises $0.75 to $1

Like the raise; we've got tons of outs if we're behind to an ace, and we can push out some better hands (98+) with our raise. Good positional raise.

mezzanin: folds
mischman collected $1.55 from pot
mischman: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0.05
Board [4d Ad 8c]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman (button) collected ($1.55)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: mezzanin (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: gare666 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded on the Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #10145592339: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:16:35 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($35.95 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.70 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($49.65 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($43.85 in chips)
mezzanin: posts small blind $0.10
gare666: posts big blind $0.25
Mr.Kalabassi: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [3s 8s]
BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
helmereersel: folds
Raiden66121: folds
mischman: folds

Limp obv. We're gonna hit a flush.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: calls $0.15
gare666: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 5s 6s]

See.

mezzanin: bets $0.25
gare666: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [7s 5s 6s] Q♦
mezzanin: checks
gare666: checks
*** RIVER *** [7s 5s 6s Qd] 4♥
mezzanin: checks
gare666: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mezzanin: shows [Ts Ac] (high card Ace)
gare666: shows [2h 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
gare666 collected $0.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1 | Rake $0.05
Board [7s 5s 6s Qd 4h]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin (small blind) showed [Ts Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: gare666 (big blind) showed [2h 7h] and won ($0.95) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #10145648237: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:21:27 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($36.80 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($7.20 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.70 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($50.40 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($8.45 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($47.70 in chips)
mischman: posts small blind $0.10
Bolltimor120: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Qh Qc]
jimelic joins the table at seat #4
mezzanin: folds
gare666: raises $0.25 to $0.50

Could mean anything (67s, small pair, big pair, KQ, A9 etc).

BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
helmereersel: folds
mischman: raises $1.25 to $1.75

Standard reraise. Solid.

Bolltimor120: folds
gare666: folds
mischman collected $1.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.25 | Rake $0
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman (small blind) collected ($1.25)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 folded before Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

We should be targeting this guy gare. He's very loose and will no doubt pay you off when you pick up a big hand (...except in that last hand :/...).

POKERSTARS GAME #10145707287: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:26:36 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($40.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr.Kalabassi ($20.40 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($8 in chips)
Seat 4: jimelic ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($26.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.20 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($48.90 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($8.45 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($47.35 in chips)
Mr.Kalabassi: posts small blind $0.10
helmereersel: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Qd Kh]
jimelic: folds
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75

OOP this should be a limp or fold. I don't mind it at a weak-tight table, but this is bad.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: calls $0.75

Mr. Loosey Goosey again.

BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
Mr.Kalabassi: folds
helmereersel: folds
*** FLOP *** [3d 9s 7d]

Perfect spot for a c-bet. Represent that pocket pair and expect to take it down most of the time. Really not sure why you checked here.

mischman: checks
gare666: bets $0.25
mischman: calls $0.25

Blegh

*** TURN *** [3d 9s 7d] 5♥
mischman: checks
gare666: bets $0.25
mischman: calls $0.25

Blagh.

*** RIVER *** [3d 9s 7d 5h] 4♠
mischman: checks
gare666: bets $0.50
mischman: folds

Really ugly hand postflop (and pre, actually). Not sure what we're doing calling down there. Just really weak tbh. I'm not sure what to make of his little minbets (could be an ace, maybe a weak pair, maybe he's soft-playing a set), but calling is the last thing we should be doing.

gare666 collected $2.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.85 | Rake $0.10
Board [3d 9s 7d 5h 4s]
Seat 1: kruemli (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mr.Kalabassi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: helmereersel (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: jimelic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman folded on the River
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 collected ($2.75)
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #10145765723: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:31:38 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($38.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Mr.Kalabassi ($13.80 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($10.65 in chips)
Seat 4: jimelic ($8.05 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($24.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($41.85 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($51.40 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($11.05 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($47.35 in chips)
gare666: posts small blind $0.10
BlizzyG: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Qs Jh]
kruemli: folds
Mr.Kalabassi: folds
helmereersel: folds
jimelic: calls $0.25
mischman: calls $0.25

Fine.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: calls $0.15
Mr.Kalabassi leaves the table
BlizzyG: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s Tc 4d]
gare666: bets $0.25
BlizzyG: folds
jimelic: calls $0.25
mischman: folds

Standard.

*** TURN *** [4s Tc 4d] J♦
gare666: checks
jimelic: bets $0.50
gare666: folds
jimelic collected $1.45 from pot
jimelic: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.50 | Rake $0.05
Board [4s Tc 4d Jd]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mr.Kalabassi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jimelic collected ($1.45)
Seat 5: mischman folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: BlizzyG (big blind) folded on the Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #10145816047: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:35:59 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($38.30 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 4: jimelic ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($24.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($41.60 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($50.65 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.90 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.10 in chips)
mischman: posts small blind $0.10
Bolltimor120: posts big blind $0.25
tenbob: posts small blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Qh 9s]
mezzanin: folds
gare666: calls $0.25
BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: folds
jimelic: folds
mischman: calls $0.15

Borderline call; near the bottom of my limping range here. Not terrible.

Bolltimor120: checks
*** FLOP *** [As 2s Js]
mischman: checks
Bolltimor120: checks
gare666: checks
*** TURN *** [As 2s Js] 4♣
mischman: checks
Bolltimor120: checks
gare666: bets $0.25
mischman: calls $0.25

Just fold. Are we calling purely on our flush draw? (and possible Q or 9 as an out?)

I don't mind it if we make a move on the river - villain's bet is very weak - but calling to draw is just weak, really.


Bolltimor120: folds
*** RIVER *** [As 2s Js 4c] 5♦
mischman: checks
gare666: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mischman: shows [Qh 9s] (high card Ace)
gare666: shows [4h Tc] (a pair of Fours)

Limped utg+1 - hope you noted this :)

gare666 collected $1.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.35 | Rake $0.05
Board [As 2s Js 4c 5d]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tenbob folded before Flop
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jimelic (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman (small blind) showed [Qh 9s] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 showed [4h Tc] and won ($1.30) with a pair of Fours
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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POKERSTARS GAME #10145828833: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:37:05 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($38.30 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 4: jimelic ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($23.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($41.35 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($50.65 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.10 in chips)
Bolltimor120: posts small blind $0.10
mezzanin: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Th Td]
gare666: calls $0.25
BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: folds
jimelic: folds
mischman: raises $0.75 to $1
Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: calls $0.75
gare666: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [3c Jh 8s]
mezzanin: bets $1
gare666: folds
mischman: calls $1
*** TURN *** [3c Jh 8s] Q♠
mezzanin: bets $1
mischman: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [3c Jh 8s Qs] 2♥
mezzanin: bets $1.25
mischman: folds
mezzanin collected $6.80 from pot
mezzanin: shows [Jc Ah] (a pair of Jacks)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.10 | Rake $0.30
Board [3c Jh 8s Qs 2h]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tenbob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jimelic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman (button) folded on the River
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: mezzanin (big blind) collected ($6.80)
Seat 8: gare666 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Interesting one. Raise PF is standard, flop is good but not great. Villain's lead into us is representing the J; may be a small pair trying to pick the pot off with the thinking that the flop has most probably missed everyone. Could also be a set.

This reminded me of the 'raising for info' thing. I like the flop call because all we'd be doing by raising is 1) giving money to hands that beat us (sets, Jx etc) and 2) pushing out hands that we have beat, and that we could suck more money out of on the turn/river.

Turn brings an ugly card...just unlucky; I fold at this point, though a big raise + turn bet might take it down (look how weak his bet is).

Just an ugly hand.

edit: considering villain's tight (and very see-through) table image, I think this is almost always a jack. I think a flop fold sounds really weak, but I would definitely consider it.

POKERSTARS GAME #10145837507: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:37:50 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($38.30 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($11.85 in chips)
Seat 4: jimelic ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($20.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($41.25 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($54.45 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.70 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.10 in chips)
mezzanin: posts small blind $0.10
gare666: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Qs Kd]
BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
tenbob: calls $0.25

Well herro sir.

helmereersel: folds
jimelic: folds
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75

TB is a tough cookie. If we're raising this hand, it's gotta be 1.25+ to either isolate vs him or to take it down now. Use the 4BB + 1BB per limper rule.

All we're doing by raising this amount with this hand is inviting everyone in to outdraw our already marginal hand. Raise more, or just limp.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: calls $0.65
gare666: calls $0.50
tenbob: calls $0.50

See :/

*** FLOP *** [3c 8d 5c]
mezzanin: checks
gare666: bets $0.25
tenbob: calls $0.25
mischman: folds

Not much we can do here. Another ugly one.

mezzanin: folds
*** TURN *** [3c 8d 5c] 4♥
gare666: checks
tenbob: checks
*** RIVER *** [3c 8d 5c 4h] 8♥
gare666: bets $0.75
tenbob: folds
gare666 collected $3.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.50 | Rake $0.15
Board [3c 8d 5c 4h 8h]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tenbob folded on the River
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: jimelic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: gare666 (big blind) collected ($3.35)
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #10145959734: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:48:07 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: nickdivino24 ($21.50 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($11.95 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($19.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($40.65 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($51.60 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.75 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.25 in chips)
tenbob: posts small blind $0.10
helmereersel: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Ah 3h]
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75

You know this is terrible. Tilting?
Maybe in late position, but utg = auto
instaquickfastfold.

Bolltimor120: calls $0.75
mezzanin: folds
gare666: folds
BlizzyG: folds
nickdivino24: calls $0.75
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d Kc Jc]
mischman: checks
Bolltimor120: bets $0.50
nickdivino24: calls $0.50
mischman: folds
*** TURN *** [8d Kc Jc] 6♥
Bolltimor120: bets $0.50
nickdivino24: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [8d Kc Jc 6h] 7♦
Bolltimor120: bets $0.50
nickdivino24: folds
Bolltimor120 collected $4.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.60 | Rake $0.20
Board [8d Kc Jc 6h 7d]
Seat 1: nickdivino24 (button) folded on the River
Seat 2: tenbob (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: helmereersel (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: mischman folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 collected ($4.40)
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #10145968863: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:48:53 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: nickdivino24 ($19.75 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($19.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($43.30 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($51.60 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.75 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.25 in chips)
helmereersel: posts small blind $0.10
mischman: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Kc Jc]
Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: calls $0.25
BlizzyG: folds
nickdivino24: folds
nickdivino24 leaves the table
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: calls $0.15
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75

This is the biggest problem I've spotted so far. Not raising enough PF. Use that 4BB + 1BB per limper rule, and you'll give much uglier pot odds to any potential caller. Again, here we're just inviting them in.

gare666: calls $0.50
helmereersel: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 8d 6d]
mischman: bets $0.50

A little small, but a good spot to c-bet.

gare666: folds
mischman collected $1.70 from pot
mischman: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.75 | Rake $0.05
Board [6s 8d 6d]
Seat 1: nickdivino24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tenbob (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: mischman (big blind) collected ($1.70)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #10145983130: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:50:04 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: tenbob ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($11.45 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($19.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($43.05 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($51.60 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.70 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.25 in chips)
Bolltimor120: posts small blind $0.10
mezzanin: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Qs Qd]
gare666: calls $0.25
BlizzyG: folds
casey789 joins the table at seat #1
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: raises $0.75 to $1
mischman: raises $2 to $3
Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: folds
helmereersel: folds
mischman collected $2.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.60 | Rake $0
Seat 2: tenbob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop
Seat 5: mischman (button) collected ($2.60)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: mezzanin (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: gare666 folded before Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Standard.


POKERSTARS GAME #10145990927: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:50:42 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: casey789 ($5 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($21.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.95 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($51.35 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.25 in chips)
mezzanin: posts small blind $0.10
gare666: posts big blind $0.25
casey789: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Jc Ks]
BlizzyG: folds
casey789: checks
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: calls $0.25
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75

Again, too small w/one limper.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: folds
casey789: calls $0.50
helmereersel: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [6c 8c Qh]
casey789: checks
helmereersel: bets $1.25
mischman: folds
casey789: folds
helmereersel collected $2.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.60 | Rake $0.10
Board [6c 8c Qh]
Seat 1: casey789 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: tenbob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel collected ($2.50)
Seat 5: mischman folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: gare666 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

POKERSTARS GAME #10146000113: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:51:28 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: casey789 ($4.25 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($12.20 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($20.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.95 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($51.25 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.25 in chips)
gare666: posts small blind $0.10
BlizzyG: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Qc Jc]
casey789: folds
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: calls $0.25
mischman: calls $0.25

Fine. We've been playing a little loose so far, and a raise probably won't get much respect anyways.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: calls $0.25
gare666: calls $0.15
jimelic leaves the table
BlizzyG: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kc 2c 3s]
gare666: checks
BlizzyG: checks
helmereersel: bets $0.50
mischman: calls $0.50

Good; try to draw in players behind you.

mezzanin: folds
gare666: folds
BlizzyG: folds
*** TURN *** [Kc 2c 3s] 7♦
helmereersel: bets $1
mischman: calls $1

Getting good odds again; I hate calling down with draws, but this seems to be the best option right now. He's not folding any king.

*** RIVER *** [Kc 2c 3s 7d] K♦
helmereersel: bets $2
mischman: folds helmereersel collected $4.05 from pot
helmereersel: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.25 | Rake $0.20
Board [Kc 2c 3s 7d Kd]
Seat 1: casey789 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tenbob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel collected ($4.05)
Seat 5: mischman folded on the River
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: gare666 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG (big blind) folded on the Flop

POKERSTARS GAME #10146023493: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:53:24 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: casey789 ($3 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.70 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($49.75 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($50.55 in chips)
casey789: posts small blind $0.10
tenbob: posts big blind $0.25
AjAxkings: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [6h 6c]
helmereersel: calls $0.25
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75

:(
EP + 66 + limpy table = limp.
Again, if we're raising here (which is really bad IMO), then at least raise a significant amount.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: raises $0.50 to $1.25
BlizzyG: folds
casey789: folds
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: calls $1
mischman: calls $0.50

1000000:1 pot odds = easy call. Playing solely for set value now.

*** FLOP *** [Ad 4c 4s]
helmereersel: checks
mischman: checks
gare666: bets $1
helmereersel: folds
mischman: folds

Yep.

gare666 collected $3.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.10 | Rake $0.20
Board [Ad 4c 4s]
Seat 1: casey789 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tenbob (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: helmereersel folded on the Flop
Seat 5: mischman folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 collected ($3.90)
Seat 9: BlizzyG (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

So in summary, use that 4BB+1BB rule, and you'll take down a lot more pots preflop, and get a lot more respect when you do get called.

I'd say that you played a little weak postflop, but you got stuck in really shitty spots most of the time and couldn't really do much.
 
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Egon Towst

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Nice Job, Chuck.

I pretty much endorse everything you say. Just a couple of little comments, if I may.

POKERSTARS GAME #10145592339: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:16:35 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kruemli ($35.95 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 ($28.75 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.70 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($49.65 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($13.50 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($43.85 in chips)
mezzanin: posts small blind $0.10
gare666: posts big blind $0.25
Mr.Kalabassi: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [3s 8s]
BlizzyG: folds
kruemli: folds
helmereersel: folds
Raiden66121: folds
mischman: folds

Limp obv. We're gonna hit a flush.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: calls $0.15
gare666: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 5s 6s]

See.

mezzanin: bets $0.25
gare666: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [7s 5s 6s] Q♦
mezzanin: checks
gare666: checks
*** RIVER *** [7s 5s 6s Qd] 4♥
mezzanin: checks
gare666: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mezzanin: shows [Ts Ac] (high card Ace)
gare666: shows [2h 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
gare666 collected $0.95 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1 | Rake $0.05
Board [7s 5s 6s Qd 4h]
Seat 1: kruemli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Raiden66121 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: mischman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin (small blind) showed [Ts Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: gare666 (big blind) showed [2h 7h] and won ($0.95) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I actually think it was sound to fold that. Given that there are no limpers before you, the implied odds aren`t there, IMO. Misch is only going to hit his flush 1 time in 15 and, given that his two cards are so weak, he could still sometimes lose to a bigger flush even if he did hit.

I would say he needs to have reasonable hopes of building a $5 pot (should he hit) to make it +EV to limp here. Given that half the table has folded in front of him, I think that looks doubtful.


POKERSTARS GAME #10145968863: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:48:53 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: nickdivino24 ($19.75 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($11.70 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($19.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($43.30 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($51.60 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($10.75 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($48.25 in chips)
helmereersel: posts small blind $0.10
mischman: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Kc Jc]
Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: calls $0.25
BlizzyG: folds
nickdivino24: folds
nickdivino24 leaves the table
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: calls $0.15
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75
This is the biggest problem I've spotted so far. Not raising enough PF. Use that 4BB + 1BB per limper rule, and you'll give much uglier pot odds to any potential caller. Again, here we're just inviting them in.
gare666: calls $0.50
helmereersel: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 8d 6d]
mischman: bets $0.50

A little small, but a good spot to c-bet.

gare666: folds
mischman collected $1.70 from pot
mischman: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.75 | Rake $0.05
Board [6s 8d 6d]
Seat 1: nickdivino24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tenbob (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: helmereersel (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: mischman (big blind) collected ($1.70)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 folded on the Flop
Seat 9: BlizzyG folded before Flop (didn't bet)

On this one, I agree that Misch should have raised bigger PF. However, given that he didn`t, it would now be risky to make a big C-bet into that dangerous paired and draw-heavy flop. Given that villain is loose, he could well have called our small PF raise with a wide range of hands that would have caught a piece of the flop.

Basically, we screwed this up PF, the flop is tricky, and we should beware of turning a small error into a big one.
 
robwhufc

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I actually think it was sound to fold that. Given that there are no limpers before you, the implied odds aren`t there, IMO. Misch is only going to hit his flush 1 time in 15 and, given that his two cards are so weak, he could still sometimes lose to a bigger flush even if he did hit.

I would say he needs to have reasonable hopes of building a $5 pot (should he hit) to make it +EV to limp here. Given that half the table has folded in front of him, I think that looks doubtful.
He was reing ironic surely? You're a Brit, i would have though you would have picked up on that ;)(or maybe he was being literal and i'm just an old cynic).


Good job Chuck, and this shows why i dont play NL ring games much, so boring raising 75 cents all the time
 
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Hmm - very good. I was surprised how many times you would have made the same play as me on the calls and the folds. The main difference is the bigger raises you recommend, so that was very helpful to see.
 
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Ive got a nice LAG session from Saturday night on $25NL, if you want to have a look at that Misch/Chuck.
 
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Ive got a nice LAG session from Saturday night on $25NL, if you want to have a look at that Misch/Chuck.

I'd love to. LAG>>>TAG w/analyzing. Running through sessions is fun anyways. email me, tb.

taylor.chuckts@gmail.com

Oops, was he ? :eek:

This is how you know you`ve played too much poker, children. Pot odds win over humour. Let this be a warning to you. :eek:

lol Egon. I thought it would have been obvious :/
 
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Im at work at the moment Chuck, ill email it to you later on. Came out 4buyins up as well :)
 
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POKERSTARS GAME #10146023493: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/05/28 - 09:53:24 (ET)
Table 'Elpis V' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: casey789 ($3 in chips)
Seat 2: tenbob ($25 in chips)
Seat 3: helmereersel ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 5: mischman ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 ($42.70 in chips)
Seat 7: mezzanin ($49.75 in chips)
Seat 8: gare666 ($9.95 in chips)
Seat 9: BlizzyG ($50.55 in chips)
casey789: posts small blind $0.10
tenbob: posts big blind $0.25
AjAxkings: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [6h 6c]
helmereersel: calls $0.25
mischman: raises $0.50 to $0.75

:(
EP + 66 + limpy table = limp.
Again, if we're raising here (which is really bad IMO), then at least raise a significant amount.

Bolltimor120: folds
mezzanin: folds
gare666: raises $0.50 to $1.25
BlizzyG: folds
casey789: folds
tenbob: folds
helmereersel: calls $1
mischman: calls $0.50

1000000:1 pot odds = easy call. Playing solely for set value now.

*** FLOP *** [Ad 4c 4s]
helmereersel: checks
mischman: checks
gare666: bets $1
helmereersel: folds
mischman: folds

Yep.

gare666 collected $3.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.10 | Rake $0.20
Board [Ad 4c 4s]
Seat 1: casey789 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tenbob (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: helmereersel folded on the Flop
Seat 5: mischman folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Bolltimor120 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mezzanin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gare666 collected ($3.90)
Seat 9: BlizzyG (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

only one i disagree with is this one. this is the epitome of how weak-tight misch is. float this or even raise this (i like this more)
 
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Ive got a nice LAG session from Saturday night on $25NL, if you want to have a look at that Misch/Chuck.

You have to post your analysis!

If you don't mind, tb, I love to see the whole session.


I need to incorporate the ability to play LAG into my game yet, and I found joose's TRex HH really useful (as well as entertaining).
 
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Chuck, havent read the whole thread, wont until this weekend but.....

I'm going to limp from SB with any 2 card any time.
GAME #10145580411, you dont like when i limp from SB in an unopened pot with 2-7 and then when i bluff .75$ at it, you say its to big and i should bet half the pot. The pot is .50 so i guess you want me to min bet $.25 on a bluff?


Ill read the rest later
 
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