Fold Smaller pp preflop $50 NL

Sammyv1

Sammyv1

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I'm Folding a smaller pair here, I play it different sometimes. I was early at the table here, so I had no reads on anyone yet so I let it go. Plus it was an aggresive 6X BB raise.
Was wondering if I shoulda smooth called being on the button.

How would you guys play this:
1: With no reads?
2: Against a LAG?
3: Against a TAG?

pokerstars Game #9442617270: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/04/15 - 20:28:03 (ET)
Table 'Tesla' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: LARiverdog ($98.90 in chips)
Seat 3: tigger1212 ($40.75 in chips)
Seat 4: FWP68Z ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: hard on gear ($46.75 in chips)
Seat 6: jiyoung ($61 in chips)
Seat 7: REDJUH ($49.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Ima_Fedup ($57.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Sammyv1 ($52.45 in chips)
LARiverdog: posts small blind $0.25
tigger1212: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sammyv1 [7c 7h]
FWP68Z: folds
hard on gear: folds
jiyoung: raises $3 to $3.50
REDJUH: folds
Ima_Fedup: folds
Sammyv1: folds
LARiverdog: folds
Mirigom joins the table at seat #1
tigger1212: folds
jiyoung collected $1.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.25 | Rake $0
Seat 2: LARiverdog (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: tigger1212 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: FWP68Z folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hard on gear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jiyoung collected ($1.25)
Seat 7: REDJUH folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Ima_Fedup folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Sammyv1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
edge-t

edge-t

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I would have folded too. 77 is no good, unless we can get in cheap, flop a set, pretend we're a donk and rope-a-dope to the river.
 
joosebuck

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always vs a LAG. sometimes if i think i can outplay the TAG if he happens to be weak-tight. never with no reads.
 
Bombjack

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You're not deep-stacked enough to make this call when he raises so big. As a guideline, for a standard 3-4 BB raise you need effective stacks of at least 1.5 buy-ins. You'd also prefer it if the pot were multi-way when you call for set value.
 
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alan1983

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But if were 8 to 1 to hit set, then wed have 2 make more than 8 times the raise for it to be profitable right?

So wed have to make about 26 at least in the hand. I think we could stack him if we hit and make double that so i think id call this most of the time.
 
Bombjack

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But if were 8 to 1 to hit set, then wed have 2 make more than 8 times the raise for it to be profitable right?

So wed have to make about 26 at least in the hand. I think we could stack him if we hit and make double that so i think id call this most of the time.
You're assuming you'll stack him every time you hit a set. This won't happen because

a) He often won't have an overpair that will give good implied odds - might have AK etc
b) If there is an overcard to his big pair on the board (e.g. he has KK and there's an Ace), you get no action
c) He may well be good enough to fold an overpair if you're raising him
d) If he does have an overpair and you hit your set, 1 time in 5 you will stack off to him because he will make a higher set by the river
e) Your set will sometimes be beat by a straight or flush

More realistically you're looking at stacking your opponent a maximum of a third of the time you hit.
 
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