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wreckoning

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Playing 1-2 NL Holdem on a Saturday night in a casino, Seat 3. A dull unimaginative player from Seat 10 raises the blinds up to $15. Seat 1 folds. Seat 2, a young man who has joined the table in the last twenty minutes whom I have no great reads on, calls with $400 behind. In the cutoff seat I look down to 7h-5h. The button looks like he's folding to me, so if I call here I'll have position. Furthermore I am very certain that the dull raiser's holdings range from QQ-AA, and very possibly AK. If she has AK I think I can bluff her on the turn or flop. I also believe that if I make a hand I can stack her if she holds a high pair. As for Seat 2, well if I make my hand, I might be able to trap him in between Seat 10's c-bets and my raise.

I call the $15. I have $450 remaining. The rest of the table folds and we see the flop three-handed.

The flop comes 8s-6h-3h. I have a open-ended straight and low flush draw. And the 4h gives me the straight flush.

Seat 10 bets out $25 into the $50 pot, as she was bound to do with any of her holdings.

Seat 2 raises it up to $75. I stare at him. He appears to be breathing heavily and I can see his neck throbbing. What's he so excited about? Isolation raise? With what? Doesn't look like there's anything to be had on this flop... trips is the only thing I can figure. A better flush draw than mine would want me to call to help give him odds. Right?

If I flat-call the $75 it goes back to Seat 10. The times when she holds A-A, K-K and Q-Q she will go all-in for her remaining $105. The times when she holds A-K she will fold. A-K of hearts may call or go all-in, I am not sure what she would do there.

7 cards (six non-heart straights cards, and the 4h for straight flush) give me the best hand and hopefully get me Seat 2's remaining $300. 8 more heart outs give me a 7-high flush which may or may not be good, and will probably cause me to lose $300 those times it's not good.

What to do? $150 in the pot, $75 to call. Seat 10 is either raising all-in for $105 more or folding behind me...
 
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red_dawn_28

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I think you call here assuming the first player is going to go all in for her last 105 and the other will just call. With your hand you want callers. The only situation you want to chase her out is if she has a higher flush draw but that is unlikely. Its far more likely she has AA to QQ and you know you need help to win, but if you do win you want a big pot.

After the guy’s raise on the flop you are getting 2:1 on your call assuming she doesn’t call which is just a little worse than the 2.3:1 against assuming you have 15 outs which is a valid assumption if we assume the guy has a set.

Assuming she does come over the top for her last $105 you will be getting 7:1 by the time you have to add $55 more.

On the turn there is $440 in the pot and the guy has $270 left. If you don’t improve and he shoves you are still getting 2.6:1 which makes a call correct to see the river.

This is what you wanted when you played 57s right? This is as good a flop as you’re going to get.
 
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I don't like a call here, in my opinion this is a push/fold situation. You have a very good draw, but it's vulnerable if the other guy has a bigger flush draw, so you don't want to play this hand passively.

The idea here is to push all-in. We're likely the favorite against the shortstack, so we only need to worry about the guy in seat 2.

If seat 2 does have a bigger flush draw, say AhKh, he'll be getting roughly 1.5:1 pot odds (1.8:1 if the shortie calls). Considering our strong move, he can't really count his overcards as outs which would make a call incorrect and he may just fold his draw. Even if he doesn't fold, we still have a bunch of outs.
 
Tobmeister

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I agree with Chris, in a 3 handed situation i think you either give seat 2 the wrong odds, or you fold it hoping they made a set

how did it pan out in the end?
 
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i play my draws aggressively, to try and take the pot later on if i miss, so i insta re re raise
 
beechleaf

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ya a all in here is called I think you will win at least the side pot with any flush because the throbing neck made a set
 
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The end result: I decided to flat-call, Seat 10 pushes all-in for $105 more, Seat 2 quickly calls, then I call.

The turn is Kc. Seat 2 checks.

Checks. Betting so strongly on the flop, then checks the turn- he must have wanted me out, because if he had a set he should just keep betting. What hands could he want to raise with so strongly on the flop? Maybe A8 for top pair- except he shouldn't call the preflop raise with such trash, and it doesn't account for his throbbing neck (unless perhaps he holds Ah-8h). Something like 9-9, 10-10, or J-J might make those plays, then suddenly become afraid of the turn King. But he looks so excited! What is it! No, I decide that he has the nut flush draw, something like A-K to A-J, and with the pot this big I can't get him to fold for $300 more, and if he has A-K he definitely won't fold now that he has a pair. I decide the check and take a free card, hoping for my straight, and being able to fold if I hit my flush.

The turn is a harmless 2c. Throbbing Neck checks to me. He's missed his draw, but there's no point bluffing here - nothing in the side pot. I check.

Seat 10 takes down the pot with Qc Qs. Throbbing Neck throws down Ah-Jh face-up in the muck. Foiled! I completely misread his flop play. It totally looked like a protection raise to me, like a made hand. Oh well... I won't complain about someone betting their draws like that, I'll get his money next time.
 
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