ChuckTs' analysis of Munchrs' 25nl session

ChuckTs

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Hand 1-5:

pokerstars Game #15082596920: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 16:36:51 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($21.80 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($23.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 4: vbjackpot ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($44.55 in chips)
Seat 6: ronja89 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($6.15 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($5.75 in chips)
Ferropolis: posts small blind $0.10
DutchEmperor: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ah Qc]
polo95: calls $0.25
Last Emu: folds
vbjackpot: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
ronja89: calls $0.25
Munchers94: raises $0.75 to $1
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
polo95: folds
patrickboons: folds
ronja89: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [6h 9d 5d]
ronja89: bets $1.50
Munchers94: raises $4.50 to $6
ronja89: calls $2.15 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [6h 9d 5d] [4h]
*** RIVER *** [6h 9d 5d 4h] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ronja89: shows [7s 7h] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
Munchers94: mucks hand
ronja89 collected $9.65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.15 | Rake $0.50
Board [6h 9d 5d 4h 9s]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: polo95 folded before Flop
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: vbjackpot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded before Flop
Seat 6: ronja89 showed [7s 7h] and won ($9.65) with two pair, Nines and Sevens
Seat 7: Munchers94 mucked [Ah Qc]
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis (small blind) folded before Flop

I'm usually raising more here to put more pressure on the guys - the 3bb+1/limper works pretty well as a guideline.

As played on the flop I'm just folding - he's obviously committed and we're not getting good enough odds to draw to our overcards on a push. fyi I'm also usually just shutting down on flops like this especially if lead into for a significant amount if we're deep. Well that's unless I feel I can scare him off hands like 77, but you get the idea.

PokerStars Game #15082764591: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 16:44:08 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($21.10 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: vbjackpot ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($46.55 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($7.15 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($5.30 in chips)
polo95: posts small blind $0.10
Last Emu: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Js Jh]
vbjackpot: raises $0.50 to $0.75
patrickboons: calls $0.75
Munchers94: calls $0.75
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
polo95: folds
Last Emu: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jc 4d]
vbjackpot: bets $0.25
patrickboons: raises $0.75 to $1
Munchers94: calls $1
vbjackpot: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [Ks Jc 4d] [7s]
MarkTheStar joins the table at seat #6
vbjackpot: checks
patrickboons: bets $1.50
Munchers94: raises $3.50 to $5
vbjackpot: folds
patrickboons: calls $3.50
*** RIVER *** [Ks Jc 4d 7s] [8d]
patrickboons: bets $3
Munchers94: raises $14.90 to $17.90 and is all-in
patrickboons: folds
Munchers94 collected $20.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.60 | Rake $1
Board [Ks Jc 4d 7s 8d]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: polo95 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Last Emu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: vbjackpot folded on the Turn
Seat 5: patrickboons folded on the River
Seat 7: Munchers94 collected ($20.60)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Interesting hand. I'm 3-betting this most of the time preflop, but as a balancing play I think calling is fine. Our hand's too valueable and vulnerable to be doing this all the time though. wp postflop, not sure what the guy could have had there except like AJ or QQ.

PokerStars Game #15082829089: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 16:46:56 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($21.10 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($23.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: vbjackpot ($3.80 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($36.55 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($35.50 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($7.15 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($5.30 in chips)
vbjackpot: posts small blind $0.10
patrickboons: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ts Th]
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.75 to $1
ClemsonAir: calls $1
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: calls $1
polo95: folds
Last Emu: folds
vbjackpot: folds
vbjackpot is sitting out
patrickboons: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [5c Td 8c]
patrickboons: checks
vbjackpot leaves the table
Munchers94: bets $1.25
ClemsonAir: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
patrickboons: folds
Munchers94 collected $3.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.10 | Rake $0.20
Board [5c Td 8c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded on the Flop
Seat 2: polo95 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: vbjackpot (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: patrickboons (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 collected ($3.90)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Pretty standard here. We could make a case for slowplaying a little bit but as I'm usually just c-betting flops most of the time anyways, I like just firing out a pot sweetener here.

The amount you bet is a little weird though - if you're getting action from 99/77 etc on this flop with a $1.25 bet, you're probably getting it with a $3 bet as well. We want to build the pot so I'm usually betting closer to 3/4 the pot.

PokerStars Game #15083013143: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 16:54:59 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($15.25 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($19.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($30.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty ($16.40 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($39.75 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($18.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($38.05 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($5.20 in chips)
MarkTheStar: posts small blind $0.10
Munchers94: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [7h Ah]
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
polo95: folds
Last Emu: raises $0.75 to $1
Mrs.Dotty: calls $1
patrickboons: folds
MarkTheStar: calls $0.90
Munchers94: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [6h Js Qs]
MarkTheStar: checks
Munchers94: checks
Last Emu: checks
Mrs.Dotty: checks
*** TURN *** [6h Js Qs] [5c]
MarkTheStar: checks
Munchers94: checks
Last Emu: checks
Mrs.Dotty: bets $1.50
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: folds
Last Emu: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** [6h Js Qs 5c] [4d]
Last Emu: checks
Mrs.Dotty: bets $3.25
Last Emu: folds
Mrs.Dotty collected $6.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7 | Rake $0.30
Board [6h Js Qs 5c 4d]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: polo95 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded on the River
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty collected ($6.70)
Seat 5: patrickboons (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Munchers94 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ClemsonAir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Yeah I don't mind the call pf here but it's a little loose, especially out of position. In spots like these I much prefer playing small pairs since it's fit or fold postflop - you either hit your set or you don't. When you hit a draw or an ace with Axs it becomes a lot harder to play OOP.

PokerStars Game #15083112324: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 16:59:22 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($15.75 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($27.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty ($20.35 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($41.35 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($36.95 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.10 in chips)
polo95: posts small blind $0.10
Last Emu: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Qd Ah]
Mrs.Dotty: calls $0.25
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
polo95: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mrs.Dotty: folds
patrickboons: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [6h Kd 2s]
patrickboons: bets $0.75
Munchers94: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [6h Kd 2s] [5d]
patrickboons: bets $3
Munchers94: folds
patrickboons collected $4.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.10 | Rake $0.20
Board [6h Kd 2s 5d]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: polo95 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Last Emu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty folded before Flop
Seat 5: patrickboons collected ($4.90)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ClemsonAir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

pf is good.

As played postflop I think calling the flop with the intention of folding to a non-ace turn is pretty spewy - we're not getting odds to draw and villain will probably frequently put out a second barrel. I much prefer raise/folding the flop, or even calling and then raising the turn if you think you can push him off 99 and similar hands.
 
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PokerStars Game #15083185631: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:02:35 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($28.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty ($19.75 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($44 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($15.95 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($34.70 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($5.10 in chips)
MarkTheStar: posts small blind $0.10
Munchers94: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [8c Ac]
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: raises $0.75 to $1
DutchEmperor: folds
polo95: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mrs.Dotty: calls $1
patrickboons: folds
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: folds
*** FLOP *** [7d 2c 7c]
Ferropolis: bets $2
Mrs.Dotty: folds
Ferropolis collected $2.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.35 | Rake $0.10
Board [7d 2c 7c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: polo95 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty folded on the Flop
Seat 5: patrickboons (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Munchers94 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ClemsonAir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis collected ($2.25)

Yep, much more standard fold. We're now only 3 to a flop if you call, aren't getting as good immediate or implied odds, and again we're OOP.

Actually implied odds vs ferropolis might actually be better since he raised in EP, but I still like a fold here.

PokerStars Game #15083341610: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:09:30 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($29.65 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($30.55 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($23.85 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($34 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($6.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.85 in chips)
ClemsonAir: posts small blind $0.10
Ferropolis: posts big blind $0.25
owcheck: posts big blind $0.25
Mista KGB: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ac 3c]
DutchEmperor: folds
owcheck: checks
Last Emu: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: calls $0.25
Munchers94: folds
ClemsonAir: calls $0.15
Ferropolis: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 4c 4d]
ClemsonAir: checks
Ferropolis: checks
owcheck: checks
patrickboons: checks
MarkTheStar: checks
*** TURN *** [8c 4c 4d] [Ts]
ClemsonAir: checks
Ferropolis: checks
owcheck: bets $0.50
patrickboons: calls $0.50
MarkTheStar: folds
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
*** RIVER *** [8c 4c 4d Ts] [2c]
owcheck: checks
patrickboons: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
owcheck: shows [7c 9h] (a pair of Fours)
patrickboons: shows [Qd Js] (a pair of Fours - Queen kicker)
patrickboons collected $2.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.25 | Rake $0.10
Board [8c 4c 4d Ts 2c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: owcheck showed [7c 9h] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons showed [Qd Js] and won ($2.15) with a pair of Fours
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Munchers94 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 9: Ferropolis (big blind) folded on the Turn

I actually like a limp here since we're going to hit our flush.

Seriously though I do like a limp here especially having the button. I might even raise against certain opponents.

PokerStars Game #15083373358: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:10:54 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($14.50 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($9.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($29.65 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($32.95 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($34 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($6.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.50 in chips)
DutchEmperor: posts small blind $0.10
owcheck: posts big blind $0.25
Mista KGB: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Jd Td]
Last Emu: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: calls $0.25
ClemsonAir: raises $0.75 to $1
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
owcheck: folds
patrickboons: folds
Munchers94: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [4c 6c 3d]
Munchers94: checks
ClemsonAir: checks
*** TURN *** [4c 6c 3d] [Qc]
Munchers94: checks
ClemsonAir: bets $1.50
Munchers94: folds
ClemsonAir collected $2.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.60 | Rake $0.10
Board [4c 6c 3d Qc]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: owcheck (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded before Flop
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ClemsonAir collected ($2.50)
Seat 9: Ferropolis (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Don't like this OOP. I don't think it's terrible, especially if you think you can outplay him postflop, but OOP that's pretty hard to do against most opponents. It's also much harder to extract value when we hit.

PokerStars Game #15083438289: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:13:48 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($14.40 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($8.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($24.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($33 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($15.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.50 in chips)
Mista KGB: posts small blind $0.10
patrickboons: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Kh Kc]
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.50 to $0.75
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
owcheck: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: calls $0.65
patrickboons: calls $0.50
*** FLOP *** [Tc Jc 3h]
Mista KGB: checks
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: bets $1.25
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [Tc Jc 3h] [8c]
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: bets $4.50
patrickboons: calls $4.50
*** RIVER *** [Tc Jc 3h 8c] [Ad]
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
patrickboons: shows [9d Js] (a pair of Jacks)
Munchers94: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
Munchers94 collected $13.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.75 | Rake $0.65
Board [Tc Jc 3h 8c Ad]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: owcheck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: patrickboons (big blind) showed [9d Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 showed [Kh Kc] and won ($13.10) with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: ClemsonAir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Well played. Not much to add, I think this is pretty standard. A lot of people slow down on the turn and that's completely wrong imo as the flush/straight is only one part of his wide range at this point.

PokerStars Game #15083514636: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:17:12 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($13.15 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($7.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($31.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($32.35 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($22.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($39.35 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($15.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6 in chips)
owcheck said, "calling with a flush draw pfff"
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
ClemsonAir: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Js Ah]
Ferropolis: folds
MarkTheStar said, "lol fishy"
DutchEmperor: folds
owcheck: folds
Last Emu: raises $0.75 to $1
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $1
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: folds
ClemsonAir: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 4h Kd]
owcheck said, "hes calling to raises up to 3 dollar"
Last Emu: bets $1.75
patrickboons: calls $1.75
*** TURN *** [5c 4h Kd] [Jh]
Last Emu: checks
patrickboons: bets $2
Last Emu: folds
patrickboons collected $5.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.85 | Rake $0.25
Board [5c 4h Kd Jh]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: owcheck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded on the Turn
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons collected ($5.60)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Solid fold - OOP with a marginal hand like AJ is a spot I never like to be in. If we're getting involved we probably want to squeeze, but folding is by far the best option.
 
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Hand 1-5:
PokerStars Game #15083112324: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 16:59:22 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($15.75 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($27.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty ($20.35 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($41.35 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($36.95 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.10 in chips)
polo95: posts small blind $0.10
Last Emu: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Qd Ah]
Mrs.Dotty: calls $0.25
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
polo95: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mrs.Dotty: folds
patrickboons: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [6h Kd 2s]
patrickboons: bets $0.75
Munchers94: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [6h Kd 2s] 5♦
patrickboons: bets $3
Munchers94: folds
patrickboons collected $4.90 from pot

Not much to add to Chuck's analysis overall, other than this AQ was raised PF much better than the first one.

This is a weird flop bet though; 21% of the pot? Either his idea of a probe bet or, I don't know what. Because it's so small and unusual I can see the temptation to call, but agree reraising is a better choice. It's almost so small that you can't fold though .... maybe that's his idea of how to play a set of 6s.
 
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hands 11-15:

PokerStars Game #15083587166: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:20:26 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($12.80 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($29.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($36 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($22.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($39.25 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($14.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.85 in chips)
owcheck: posts small blind $0.10
Last Emu: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Js Ah]
owcheck said, "^^"
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: folds
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.50 to $0.75
ClemsonAir: calls $0.75
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
owcheck: calls $0.65
Last Emu: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kc 9s Ac]
owcheck: checks
owcheck said, "in 5 min hes out of money"
Munchers94: bets $1.25
ClemsonAir: calls $1.25
owcheck: raises $1.25 to $2.50
MarkTheStar said, "no he has the luck of the donks"
Munchers94: calls $1.25
ClemsonAir: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [Kc 9s Ac] [Qs]
owcheck: bets $4 and is all-in
Munchers94: folds
MarkTheStar said, "10min"
ClemsonAir: calls $4
*** RIVER *** [Kc 9s Ac Qs] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
owcheck: shows [9h As] (two pair, Aces and Nines)
ClemsonAir: shows [9c Jc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
ClemsonAir collected $17.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18 | Rake $0.85
Board [Kc 9s Ac Qs Ts]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: owcheck (small blind) showed [9h As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 3: Last Emu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ClemsonAir showed [9c Jc] and won ($17.15) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Not sure what to think of this one - my decision here would depend pretty heavily on reads but I don't like calling the flop raise with the intention of folding to that turn bet. If that's the plan then we should be folding on the flop I think.

Nasty spot, I probably play it the same, but making those calls and folding to turn bets is just spewy-looking to me - similar to calling 3-bets pf without implied/direct odds and intending to check-fold a flop that doesn't hit you hard.

PokerStars Game #15083645307: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:23:02 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($12.80 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($7.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($28.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($36.60 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($22.05 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($35.75 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($24.20 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.85 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
ClemsonAir: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [As Kd]
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: calls $0.25
owcheck: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: folds
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $1 to $1.25
ClemsonAir: folds
DutchEmperor: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Tc 2c 7c]
Munchers94: bets $1.25
DutchEmperor: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [Tc 2c 7c] [6c]
Munchers94: checks
DutchEmperor: bets $1
Munchers94: folds
DutchEmperor collected $5 from pot
DutchEmperor: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.25 | Rake $0.25
Board [Tc 2c 7c 6c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor collected ($5)
Seat 2: owcheck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Yep, pretty standard. If the flop is a *little* more connected I'm just check-folding the flop (say T78), but I think this is fine as we take it down frequently enough to show a profit.

PokerStars Game #15083782991: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:29:06 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($8 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($30.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($32.25 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($20.70 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($34.25 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($22.60 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.25 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
ClemsonAir: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Td Ts]
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
owcheck: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: calls $0.25
Munchers94: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ClemsonAir: calls $1.25
patrickboons: calls $1.25
MarkTheStar: folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 8h 7s]
Munchers94: bets $2.50
ClemsonAir: folds
patrickboons: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [5h 8h 7s] [3s]
Munchers94: bets $6.50
patrickboons: calls $6.50
*** RIVER *** [5h 8h 7s 3s] [6c]
Munchers94: bets $2
patrickboons: raises $8 to $10
Munchers94: calls $8
*** SHOW DOWN ***
patrickboons: shows [5s 6d] (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
owcheck said, "jetztet"
Munchers94: mucks hand
patrickboons collected $40.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $42.75 | Rake $2.05
Board [5h 8h 7s 3s 6c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: owcheck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons showed [5s 6d] and won ($40.70) with two pair, Sixes and Fives
Seat 6: MarkTheStar (button) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) mucked [Td Ts]
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Another interesting one. Pretty standard up until the turn where I think you should be betting a little more. The board is very drawy and I think we're either marginally ahead vs some type of draw + pair or draw + overcard, or we're way behind already. We want to make him pay, so I'm usually bet-folding the turn for a little more.

As played on the river (don't mind the blocking bet, but I'm checking it to him if he's passive), I think we have to fold to the raise. Although the guy is bluffing a lot (even I've seen that through the HHs), I don't see much we're ahead of here.

PokerStars Game #15083818443: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:30:41 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($8 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($30.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($52.45 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($20.45 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($21.10 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.25 in chips)
ClemsonAir: posts small blind $0.10
Ferropolis: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Kd Jc]
owcheck said, "doch nich"
DutchEmperor: folds
owcheck: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: folds
MarkTheStar: calls $0.25
Munchers94: raises $0.75 to $1
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
MarkTheStar: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Ad Tc Ks]
MarkTheStar: checks
Munchers94: bets $1
MarkTheStar: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Ad Tc Ks] [6h]
MarkTheStar: checks
Munchers94: bets $1.50
MarkTheStar: raises $2.50 to $4
Munchers94: calls $2.50
*** RIVER *** [Ad Tc Ks 6h] [Th]
MarkTheStar: bets $8
Munchers94: folds
MarkTheStar collected $11.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $12.35 | Rake $0.60
Board [Ad Tc Ks 6h Th]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: owcheck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar collected ($11.75)
Seat 7: Munchers94 (button) folded on the River
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis (big blind) folded before Flop

I think I'm giving up on the turn here and checking for my free card. He's rarely going to call two bets with a gutshot, and we're not pushing off any better hands here unless it's KQ.

Calling the raise on the turn is even worse - we're simply not getting odds to draw out and likely don't have the best hand.

PokerStars Game #15083851549: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:32:05 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($19.40 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($8 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($30.30 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($52.45 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($26.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($21 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6 in chips)
Ferropolis: posts small blind $0.10
DutchEmperor: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ac Kc]
owcheck: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $1 to $1.25
ClemsonAir: calls $1.25
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
patrickboons: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Td 5c Jh]
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: checks
ClemsonAir: checks
*** TURN *** [Td 5c Jh] [9h]
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: checks
ClemsonAir: checks
*** RIVER *** [Td 5c Jh 9h] [Ts]
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: checks
ClemsonAir: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
patrickboons: shows [6h 7c] (a pair of Tens)
Munchers94: shows [Ac Kc] (a pair of Tens - Ace kicker)
ClemsonAir: shows [7h 7s] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
ClemsonAir collected $3.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.10 | Rake $0.20
Board [Td 5c Jh 9h Ts]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: owcheck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons showed [6h 7c] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 showed [Ac Kc] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (button) showed [7h 7s] and won ($3.90) with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 9: Ferropolis (small blind) folded before Flop

Again pretty standard - we've played 3 hands in a row and likely aren't getting folds even from Tx.

HU without the aggressive image I'm betting this flop often though.
 
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PokerStars Game #15083112324: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 16:59:22 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($15.75 in chips)
Seat 2: polo95 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($27.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty ($20.35 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($41.35 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($36.95 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($3.95 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.10 in chips)
polo95: posts small blind $0.10
Last Emu: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Qd Ah]
Mrs.Dotty: calls $0.25
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $1.25 to $1.50
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
polo95: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mrs.Dotty: folds
patrickboons: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [6h Kd 2s]
patrickboons: bets $0.75
Munchers94: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [6h Kd 2s] 5♦
patrickboons: bets $3
Munchers94: folds
patrickboons collected $4.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.10 | Rake $0.20
Board [6h Kd 2s 5d]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: polo95 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Last Emu (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Mrs.Dotty folded before Flop
Seat 5: patrickboons collected ($4.90)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 folded on the Turn
Seat 8: ClemsonAir folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

pf is good.

As played postflop I think calling the flop with the intention of folding to a non-ace turn is pretty spewy - we're not getting odds to draw and villain will probably frequently put out a second barrel. I much prefer raise/folding the flop, or even calling and then raising the turn if you think you can push him off 99 and similar hands.

Actually ive been noticing that i call bets/raises on the flop and then fold to the turn bet when i dont hit. A leak no doubt.

I see that you say im playing to many marginal hands OOP, is this correct?
 
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PokerStars Game #15084045327: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:40:23 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 2: owcheck ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($26.70 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($58.60 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($23.30 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($6.25 in chips)
Ferropolis: posts small blind $0.10
DutchEmperor: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ts Qc]
owcheck: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
MarkTheStar: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.75 to $1
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [6c 7h 9h]
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: bets $1
patrickboons: calls $1
*** TURN *** [6c 7h 9h] [Qs]
patrickboons: checks
Munchers94: bets $1.75
patrickboons: calls $1.75
*** RIVER *** [6c 7h 9h Qs] [As]
patrickboons: bets $5
Munchers94: folds
patrickboons collected $7.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.85 | Rake $0.35
Board [6c 7h 9h Qs As]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: owcheck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons collected ($7.50)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 folded on the River
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis (small blind) folded before Flop

Not the best guy to target for an isolation raise. This is even loose for a regular player.

On the turn the pot is $4 and change and you're betting $1.75 with that many draws out there?

PokerStars Game #15084388430: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 17:55:28 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($26.50 in chips)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 ($6.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($71.30 in chips)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar ($21.95 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($5.30 in chips)
Ferropolis: posts small blind $0.10
DutchEmperor: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Kh Th]
c17h22no4: folds
Last Emu: raises $0.75 to $1
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: folds
MarkTheStar: calls $1
Munchers94: calls $1
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 3d 6h]
Last Emu: bets $2.25
MarkTheStar: folds
MarkTheStar leaves the table
Munchers94: calls $2.25
*** TURN *** [Tc 3d 6h] [3s]
Last Emu: checks
seiZe da pot joins the table at seat #6
Munchers94: bets $3.75
Last Emu: calls $3.75
*** RIVER *** [Tc 3d 6h 3s] [Kc]
Last Emu: bets $5
Munchers94: raises $9.50 to $14.50
Last Emu: folds
Munchers94 collected $24.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $25.35 | Rake $1.20
Board [Tc 3d 6h 3s Kc]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: c17h22no4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded on the River
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: MarkTheStar folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Munchers94 collected ($24.15)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ferropolis (small blind) folded before Flop

This is a fold pf, especially if you're putting in this much action with TP (river is an exception obv).

PokerStars Game #15084524373: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:01:31 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 ($5.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($66.15 in chips)
Seat 6: seiZe da pot ($11.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($36.05 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($7.50 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
ClemsonAir: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [7d 5d]
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
c17h22no4: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
seiZe da pot: folds
seiZe da pot leaves the table
Munchers94: folds
ClemsonAir: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 2s 7c]
ClemsonAir: checks
patrickboons: bets $0.25
ClemsonAir: folds
patrickboons collected $0.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.60 | Rake $0
Board [6c 2s 7c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons collected ($0.60)
Seat 6: seiZe da pot (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

This is a spot I'm limping %100 of the time with the live one in the pot. Perfect implied odds hand.

PokerStars Game #15084570163: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:03:33 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 ($5.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($84.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Maik H. 79 ($14.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($35.95 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($7.25 in chips)
c17h22no4: posts small blind $0.10
Last Emu: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [4d 4c]
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
Maik H. 79: raises $0.75 to $1
Munchers94: calls $1
ClemsonAir: folds
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
c17h22no4: folds
Last Emu: calls $0.75
patrickboons: raises $5 to $6

Another perfect implied odds spot, unfortunately foiled by the limpraise.

ClemsonAir said, "it will catch back up to u with those horrible calls"

Tell him to shut his mouth and play the game. I despise people who let fish know how bad they're playing.

PokerStars Game #15084655113: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:07:19 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 ($5.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($24.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 6: kdawg45 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($35.55 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($8.50 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
ClemsonAir: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ac Kd]
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
c17h22no4: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
kdawg45: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.75 to $1
ClemsonAir: calls $0.75
patrickboons: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9c 4d]
Munchers94: bets $1.25
ClemsonAir: folds
patrickboons: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [Ah 9c 4d] [As]
Munchers94: bets $2
patrickboons: raises $2 to $4
Munchers94: calls $2

Hook line and sinker - we WANT him to bluff at this pot. The river (assuming a safe one) should be a ch-r since he almost always attacks weakness. If you lead you show him you're not afraid of the aces on board and that you're not folding.

*** RIVER *** [Ah 9c 4d As] [7c]
Munchers94: bets $4
patrickboons: folds
Munchers94 collected $12.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.50 | Rake $0.65
Board [Ah 9c 4d As 7c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded on the River
Seat 6: kdawg45 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) collected ($12.85)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Finally, 21-25:

PokerStars Game #15084750729: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:11:35 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($21.70 in chips)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 ($5.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($93.30 in chips)
Seat 6: kdawg45 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($41.90 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($8.25 in chips)
Seat 9: parapetoccs ($28.95 in chips)
Last Emu: posts small blind $0.10
Mista KGB: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Kh Js]
patrickboons: folds
kdawg45: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.50 to $0.75

A little too early of a spot to raise here.

PokerStars Game #15084791786: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:13:25 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($21.70 in chips)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 ($5.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($23.80 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($94.45 in chips)
Seat 6: kdawg45 ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($42 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($7.50 in chips)
Seat 9: parapetoccs ($28.95 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
ClemsonAir: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ah Jh]
parapetoccs: folds
Mista KGB has returned
DutchEmperor: folds
c17h22no4: folds
Last Emu: folds
patrickboons: raises $0.50 to $0.75
kdawg45: calls $0.75
Munchers94: calls $0.65
ClemsonAir: raises $6.75 to $7.50 and is all-in
patrickboons: raises $6.75 to $14.25
kdawg45: folds
Munchers94: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 3d 8h]
*** TURN *** [Qs 3d 8h] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 3d 8h 2s] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ClemsonAir: shows [4c 4h] (a pair of Fours)
patrickboons: shows [Tc Th] (a pair of Tens)
patrickboons collected $15.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.50 | Rake $0.80
Board [Qs 3d 8h 2s 7c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons showed [Tc Th] and won ($15.70) with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: kdawg45 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (big blind) showed [4c 4h] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 9: parapetoccs folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I probably 3-bet this pf as this guy's been very aggressive. We don't want him taking control of the hand and pushing us off the best hand after the flop if we miss.

PokerStars Game #15085041347: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:24:39 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($21.45 in chips)
Seat 3: robbies87 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 6: kdawg45 ($35.35 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($40.65 in chips)
Seat 8: moabac ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: parapetoccs ($29.20 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
moabac: posts big blind $0.25
=S00-G00D=: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ad Jh]
parapetoccs: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
robbies87: folds
Mista KGB: folds
kdawg45: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Munchers94: calls $0.65
moabac: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 3s 4s]
Upgrade82 joins the table at seat #5
Munchers94: bets $0.75
kdawg45: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [8d 3s 4s] [8s]
Munchers94: checks
kdawg45: checks
*** RIVER *** [8d 3s 4s 8s] [Qd]
Munchers94: checks
kdawg45: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Munchers94: shows [Ad Jh] (a pair of Eights)
kdawg45: mucks hand
Munchers94 collected $3.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.25 | Rake $0.15
Board [8d 3s 4s 8s Qd]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: robbies87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kdawg45 (button) mucked [9h Ah]
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) showed [Ad Jh] and won ($3.10) with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: moabac (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: parapetoccs folded before Flop (didn't bet)

3-bet!!!

We find ourselves in such ugly spots postflop with this hand OOP that we'd much rather just end the hand now or at least charge him for his steal.

What was the reasoning behind the flop donk?

PokerStars Game #15085270860: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:35:13 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($17.35 in chips)
Seat 2: =S00-G00D= ($30.40 in chips)
Seat 3: robbies87 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: Upgrade82 ($7.55 in chips)
Seat 6: kdawg45 ($50.90 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($47.40 in chips)
Seat 8: moabac ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: parapetoccs ($28.10 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
moabac: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Js Ks]
parapetoccs: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
=S00-G00D=: folds
robbies87: calls $0.25
DutchEmperor leaves the table
Mista KGB: folds
Upgrade82: folds
kdawg45: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.75 to $1

OOP I like a bigger raise to negate that disadvantage.
 
ChuckTs

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I see that you say im playing to many marginal hands OOP, is this correct?


Well I didn't see too many that were outlandishly bad, but in general we want to avoid playing OOP like it's the plague, especially with drawing hands or marginal hands.

I will call some 3-bets OOP if I feel my hand shapes up well against my opponent's range and if I feel I can get some cheap showdowns/free cards, but if we're clearly behind then it's almost always a fold.

One exception to this imo is with small pairs for set mining (assuming we're getting IO). Those hands are very clearly fit or fold postflop and you don't have to worry about playing out a turn/river card.
 
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Well I didn't see too many that were outlandishly bad, but in general we want to avoid playing OOP like it's the plague, especially with drawing hands or marginal hands.

I will call some 3-bets OOP if I feel my hand shapes up well against my opponent's range and if I feel I can get some cheap showdowns/free cards, but if we're clearly behind then it's almost always a fold.

One exception to this imo is with small pairs for set mining (assuming we're getting IO). Those hands are very clearly fit or fold postflop and you don't have to worry about playing out a turn/river card.

I see what you mean about playing the weak Aces OOP. Are you regularly callin with AK/AQ/AJ? What about ATs?
 
ChuckTs

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Well that's a pretty general question, but I'm rarely just calling a raise OOP with any hand. It's usually a 3-bet or fold.
 
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ClemsonAir said, "it will catch back up to u with those horrible calls"

Tell him to shut his mouth and play the game. I despise people who let fish know how bad they're playing.

Should i unleas my pimp had back hand slap as well?

I agree with you about idiot who tell fish they play bad instead of just letting them play bad.

PokerStars Game #15084655113: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:07:19 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 ($5.55 in chips)
Seat 3: Last Emu ($24.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 5: patrickboons ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 6: kdawg45 ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($35.55 in chips)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferropolis ($8.50 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
ClemsonAir: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ac Kd]
Ferropolis: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
c17h22no4: folds
Last Emu: folds
Mista KGB: folds
patrickboons: calls $0.25
kdawg45: folds
Munchers94: raises $0.75 to $1
ClemsonAir: calls $0.75
patrickboons: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9c 4d]
Munchers94: bets $1.25
ClemsonAir: folds
patrickboons: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [Ah 9c 4d] A♠
Munchers94: bets $2
patrickboons: raises $2 to $4
Munchers94: calls $2

Hook line and sinker - we WANT him to bluff at this pot. The river (assuming a safe one) should be a ch-r since he almost always attacks weakness. If you lead you show him you're not afraid of the aces on board and that you're not folding.

*** RIVER *** [Ah 9c 4d As] 7♣
Munchers94: bets $4
patrickboons: folds
Munchers94 collected $12.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $13.50 | Rake $0.65
Board [Ah 9c 4d As 7c]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: c17h22no4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Last Emu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: patrickboons folded on the River
Seat 6: kdawg45 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) collected ($12.85)
Seat 8: ClemsonAir (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Ferropolis folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I see what you are saying. By checking the river we allow hands that we beat to bluff :D

PokerStars Game #15085041347: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/02/05 - 18:24:39 (ET)
Table 'Edasich II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DutchEmperor ($21.45 in chips)
Seat 3: robbies87 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Mista KGB ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 6: kdawg45 ($35.35 in chips)
Seat 7: Munchers94 ($40.65 in chips)
Seat 8: moabac ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: parapetoccs ($29.20 in chips)
Munchers94: posts small blind $0.10
moabac: posts big blind $0.25
=S00-G00D=: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Munchers94 [Ad Jh]
parapetoccs: folds
DutchEmperor: folds
robbies87: folds
Mista KGB: folds
kdawg45: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Munchers94: calls $0.65
moabac: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 3s 4s]
Upgrade82 joins the table at seat #5
Munchers94: bets $0.75
kdawg45: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** [8d 3s 4s] 8♠
Munchers94: checks
kdawg45: checks
*** RIVER *** [8d 3s 4s 8s] Q♦
Munchers94: checks
kdawg45: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Munchers94: shows [Ad Jh] (a pair of Eights)
kdawg45: mucks hand
Munchers94 collected $3.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.25 | Rake $0.15
Board [8d 3s 4s 8s Qd]
Seat 1: DutchEmperor folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: robbies87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Mista KGB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kdawg45 (button) mucked [9h Ah]
Seat 7: Munchers94 (small blind) showed [Ad Jh] and won ($3.10) with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: moabac (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: parapetoccs folded before Flop (didn't bet)

3-bet!!!

We find ourselves in such ugly spots postflop with this hand OOP that we'd much rather just end the hand now or at least charge him for his steal.

What was the reasoning behind the flop donk?

No idea why i bet the flop. dhave to agree with you analysis of it being a flop donk play:eek:

Chuck, could you post a summary of the general points of bad/good things you think im doing in this session please?
 
ChuckTs

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Sure,

Basically I thought you played pretty well, didn't really see any huge leaks or anything.

A few spots I thought the c-bets were a little small (both when you hit and when you didn't) - I usually try to aim for 3/4 the pot size. That gives us good odds to fold our our opponent's better hands as well as swell the pot nicely when we do have a hand. Turn bets I aim for slightly smaller, and found that yours were a little too small imo as well.

Again there were a couple of spots where you called with hands you should be 3-betting/folding OOP but they weren't terribly bad. If you were to call a raise with like KJo OOP and play it really badly postflop that'd be a significant leak, but calling with JTd hands is fine since it's generally pretty easy to determine whether or not you're ahead or behind postflop.

Overall, good stuff.
 
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