Chasing OESD ??

[Jillychemung]

When expanding starting hands from ABC poker to include suited connectors and connectors, the OESD is seen a lot more on the flop and turn. What kind of odds are you looking for to chase these? What are you looking for to semi-bluff these?

I purposely haven't added any stats or reads here as I'm trying to get a general feel. I'll update later with some reads & stats to see how these might change.

Hand 1:
$0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players

Hero (BTN): $26.70
SB: $11.15
BB: $26.80
UTG: $25
UTG+1: $21.90
MP: $20.25
CO: $30.80

Pre-Flop: Ts Jc dealt to Hero (BTN)
5 folds, Hero calls $0.15, SB checks

Flop: ($0.50) Qh 9s 4d (2 Players)
Hero bets $0.50, SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.50) Ah (2 Players)
Hero: ???



Hand 2:
$0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players


SB: $28
Hero (BB): $23.40
UTG: $23.35
UTG+1: $18.45
MP1: $31.20
MP2: $25.90
CO: $14.45
BTN: $44.80

Pre-Flop: 8s 9d dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.85) 7c Ts Tc (3 Players)
Hero bets $0.85, UTG raises to $1.70, CO folds, Hero calls $0.85

Turn: ($4.25) 9h (2 Players)
Hero: ???

Hand 3:
$0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players


CO: $24.85
BTN: $20.05
Hero (SB): $27.05
BB: $23.80
UTG: $5.65
UTG+1: $1.35
MP1: $10.55
MP2: $15.60

Pre-Flop: Th 8d dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1) Jd 9d 6c (4 Players)
Hero: ??

Hand 4:
$0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players

SB: $19.60
Hero (BB): $25.70
UTG: $23.05
MP: $14.75
CO: $6.55
BTN: $7.65

Pre-Flop: 2d 8s dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) 3h 4s 5d (3 Players)
SB check, Hero bets $0.75, BTN folds, SB calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.15) Th (2 players)
SB bet $0.25
Hero: ??

 

[Bentheman87]

Odds against hitting it on the next card only are about 5:1 or about 17%. For the turn and river combined it's about 2:1 or 32%.

 

[Munchrs]

Notice all of the hands you have posted you are OOP post flop as you are playing from the blinds.

Hands 1 and 3 I fold p/f. I dont like to play draws OOP as they are to easily exploited by aggro players.

4 is a pretty easy call on the turn although I prefer just to check it down on the flop.

2 - Looks to me like UTG has the Ten and is donkishly trying to extract. You have odds so cal and c/c the turn if he gives you odds again. c/r the river if you hit or lead im not sure.

 

[switch0723]

As played, in each hand of the first 3 hands the strategy is very basic. You check to villain, call if your getting 4-1 or better odds, fold if your not, its as simple as that. Although on the 2nd hand, so stats are necessary on him to know whether or not to chase here. Since it depends on how likely he is to call a bet with trips on a 4 to the straight board.

Last Hand, Call this but be willing to fold to a big bet on the river if you hit the 6 high straight

 

[Bentheman87]

Switch you mean 5:1 odds not 4:1. Odds against hitting 8 outs on the flop for turn is a little less than 5:1.

 

[switch0723]

And i have an A Level in maths

 

[abinferno]

For the basic one card OESD it's a little less than 5:1, true, but you're not factoring in implied odds here. OEs are much more difficult to see than flush draws, and if you hit, you're likely to get one or two more bets out of the villain, especially at the lower limits. On a board where you think your opponent hit, look for more like 3:1, or even a little less if you think he'll stack off when you hit.