Another Horrible Laydown Or Not?

Stick66

Stick66

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I think I'm gonna throw up! Y'all can let me have it & tell me what you think.

First I was gonna be tricky & wait to check-raise the turn. Then I wimped out on holding on to my trips because I knew one of them had AK. I just couldn't hang with 2 re-raises to my check-raise. I thought my 222 was no good.

FullTiltPoker Game #417124476: Table McLeod - $1/$2 - Limit Hold'em - 19:28:41 ET - 2006/02/02
Seat 1: MrSticker ($27)
Seat 2: SurfChick ($80.75)
Seat 3: ram2183 ($20.50)
Seat 4: Lil Bud ($35)
Seat 5: Gabben ($28)
Seat 6: blichau ($48.25)
Seat 7: Jomeo ($18.75)
Seat 8: PikeT ($50)
Seat 9: nickbalm ($33.25)

nickbalm posts the small blind of $0.50
MrSticker posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #8

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrSticker [2h 2s]
SurfChick folds
ram2183 folds
Lil Bud calls $1
Gabben folds
blichau folds
Jomeo calls $1
PikeT folds
nickbalm calls $0.50
MrSticker checks

*** FLOP *** [2d Th Jc]
nickbalm checks
MrSticker checks
Lil Bud checks
Jomeo bets $1
nickbalm folds
MrSticker calls $1
Lil Bud calls $1

*** TURN *** [2d Th Jc] [Qd
MrSticker checks
Lil Bud checks
Jomeo bets $2
MrSticker raises to $4
Lil Bud raises to $6
Jomeo raises to $8
MrSticker folds
Lil Bud calls $2

*** RIVER *** [2d Th Jc Qd] [Td]
Lil Bud bets $2
Jomeo raises to $4
Lil Bud calls $2

*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jomeo shows [9h 8d] (a straight, Queen high)
Lil Bud shows [Kd Ah] (a straight, Ace high)
Lil Bud wins the pot ($34) with a straight, Ace high

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $35 | Rake $1
Board: [2d Th Jc Qd Td]
Seat 1: MrSticker (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: SurfChick didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: ram2183 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Lil Bud showed [Kd Ah] and won ($34) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 5: Gabben didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: blichau didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Jomeo showed [9h 8d] and lost with a straight, Queen high
Seat 8: PikeT (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: nickbalm (small blind) folded on the Flop
 
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chicubs1616

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I might check-raise the flop, but calling behind and planning to check-raise a blank turn is a good idea.

I might just call behind on the turn here instead of check-raising. That Q is a scary card and they aren't going to be calling with too many hands that you can beat. That said, your fold is pretty standard in my opinion.
 
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Freakakanus

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good fold, the Q out there and a reraise is to scary to hold onto the 2's
 
ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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Freakakanus said:
good fold, the Q out there and a reraise is to scary to hold onto the 2's

exactly
good fold; you don't know if "lilbud" is gonna come over the top of the other guy if you call.
I don't think your odds of improving (as its pretty settled that one of them's got a straight) would justify a call ($8) nevermind whether or not they would come over the top
 
Stick66

Stick66

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Hope y'all aren't missing the Full House I folded. I about puked when that 2nd 10 hit the river. (May have been good decision, bad luck, though?)
 
ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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nono i saw it
still think it was a good fold with that re-re-reraising, though
 
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shwingzilla

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I woulda re-raised the pot on the flop to $5; calling was definitely a bad play (this is assuming you usually make bet sizes around there, I tend to like pot size raises on the flop because it's hard to know what hand I have, and it's enough to get rid of flush drawers if two of any suit falls). I would never slow play trips with a straight or flush draw on the board. That turn is why passive play is a bad idea, and you had to fold at that point.
 
F Paulsson

F Paulsson

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You HAVE to call here.

You folded in what was a $26 pot, for 4 more to call (it was already capped and the person behind you sure wasn't going to fold for $2 more). You had 10 outs (the remaining 2, any 10, any J, any Q) - it will hit about 22% of the time, giving you a bit better than 4-1 on your money, and you folded for 7.5-1.

Don't underestimate how often a set turns into a full house; it's not a hand that should be laid down often, even in the face of obvious flushes or straights.
 
Tammy

Tammy

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I think you should have been capping this bet like a mutha post-flop. They would be hard-pressed to put you on having pocket 2s for the set. Sorry Sticks, but yes, I think it was a horrible lay-down. :( For $4 more, you get a chance for a $27 pot. So (help me out here all you math whizzes) if I'm not mistaken, that gives some outrageous pot-odds. And you still have a card to go that could possibly improve your hand (which it would have, had you stayed in). Dear God, man, CALL! :D
 
Kj Sexton

Kj Sexton

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Agreed, the just a call on the flop was something I'm not sure about at all....
Definitely woulda skyrocket'd that up as high as they'd let.
When the Q came I woulda played nuetral, but by that point being pot committed, but as you've raised you would have had to remain in the pot for that last card. Especially because it was only 2x what you bet originally. I live by the code be prepared to gamble all your chips anytime you raise, and I think that would apply well here.
I would understand the fold if you hadn't raised, then it would have been a good call and just bad luck. But so is the world of gambling.
 
F Paulsson

F Paulsson

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ChuckTs said:
exactly
good fold; you don't know if "lilbud" is gonna come over the top of the other guy if you call.
I don't think your odds of improving (as its pretty settled that one of them's got a straight) would justify a call ($8) nevermind whether or not they would come over the top
Just to point out: It was capped when it got back to him, and it was only $4. The turn didn't go his way; paying $8 (as he did) to see the river was too much, but then he should have folded immediately on the turn. Now that the action got back to him, it was only $4 and he made a mistake by folding.
 
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