Analysis of ChuckTs $100NL session.

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Sorry but you might find my advice to be naive for this level, as i havnt played higher than $25NL properly. Anyway ill give it a shot.

pokerstars GAME #15139212072: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 02:32:48 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Tixmaster ($98 in chips)
Seat 2: jennki18 ($21.85 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($102.20 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($129.95 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($168.60 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($118.85 in chips)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x ($114.45 in chips)
Seat 9: 52iznutz ($123.10 in chips)
x.sebi.x: posts small blind $0.50
52iznutz: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [As Jd]
Tixmaster: folds
jennki18: calls $1
ChuckTs: raises $3.50 to $4.50
gokings1: folds
TapiocaExp: folds
LaJune: folds
x.sebi.x: folds
52iznutz: calls $3.50
jennki18: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [Jh 6h 2d]
52iznutz: checks
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: bets $9.50
52iznutz: calls $9.50
jennki18: folds
*** TURN *** [Jh 6h 2d] [Js]
52iznutz: bets $20
SingularityM leaves the table
Highpothead joins the table at seat #4
ChuckTs: raises $68.20 to $88.20 and is all-in
52iznutz: folds
ChuckTs collected $70 from pot
ChuckTs: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $73 | Rake $3
Board [Jh 6h 2d Js]
Seat 1: Tixmaster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jennki18 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ChuckTs collected ($70)
Seat 5: gokings1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LaJune (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: 52iznutz (big blind) folded on the Turn

A smaller raise on the turn to $60 might increase your profitability in this situation. By making it $60 it means that if he calls he only has $49 behind and is commited to calling a river bet.

POKERSTARS GAME #15139138455: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 02:25:30 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: KDunc ($9.50 in chips)
Seat 2: jennki18 ($28.95 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($101.80 in chips)
Seat 4: SingularityM ($21.50 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($132.95 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($174.40 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($120.35 in chips)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x ($100 in chips)
Seat 9: 52iznutz ($147.90 in chips)
SingularityM: posts small blind $0.50
gokings1: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Qh Jh]
TapiocaExp: folds
LaJune: folds
x.sebi.x: folds
52iznutz: folds
KDunc: raises $8.50 to $9.50 and is all-in
jennki18: folds
ChuckTs: folds
SingularityM: folds
gokings1: folds
KDunc collected $2.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.50 | Rake $0
Seat 1: KDunc collected ($2.50)
Seat 2: jennki18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ChuckTs (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SingularityM (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gokings1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TapiocaExp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LaJune folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: 52iznutz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Solid fold, against that size bet pf you are dominated.

POKERSTARS GAME #15139083749: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 02:20:11 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: KDunc ($19 in chips)
Seat 2: jennki18 ($30.40 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: SingularityM ($17.50 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($134.45 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($176.90 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($121.85 in chips)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 9: 52iznutz ($137.50 in chips)
SingularityM: posts small blind $0.50
gokings1: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [9c Kc]
TapiocaExp: calls $1
LaJune: folds
x.sebi.x: folds
52iznutz: folds
KDunc: folds
jennki18: calls $1
ChuckTs: calls $1
SingularityM: folds
gokings1: checks
*** FLOP *** [8h Ac Kh]
gokings1: checks
TapiocaExp: checks
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: checks
*** TURN *** [8h Ac Kh] [7d]
gokings1: checks
TapiocaExp: checks
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: checks
*** RIVER *** [8h Ac Kh 7d] [5c]
gokings1: checks
TapiocaExp: checks
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gokings1: shows [6c Qc] (high card Ace)
TapiocaExp: shows [3s Ks] (a pair of Kings)
jennki18: mucks hand
ChuckTs: shows [9c Kc] (a pair of Kings - Ace+Nine kicker)
ChuckTs collected $4.30 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.50 | Rake $0.20
Board [8h Ac Kh 7d 5c]
Seat 1: KDunc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jennki18 mucked [Tc 7s]
Seat 3: ChuckTs (button) showed [9c Kc] and won ($4.30) with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: SingularityM (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gokings1 (big blind) showed [6c Qc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 6: TapiocaExp showed [3s Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: LaJune folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: 52iznutz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I think checking down is ok. But why not bet 3/4 pot on turn? Its unlikely anyone has a good ace and a weak King will proably call you.

POKERSTARS GAME #15138994377: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 02:11:46 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: KDunc ($54.50 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: SingularityM ($19 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($130 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($62.45 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($108.05 in chips)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x ($109.55 in chips)
Seat 9: 52iznutz ($152 in chips)
SingularityM: posts small blind $0.50
gokings1: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Ah Qs]
TapiocaExp: calls $1
LaJune: folds
x.sebi.x: raises $4 to $5
52iznutz: folds
KDunc: calls $5
ChuckTs: folds
SingularityM: folds
gokings1: folds
TapiocaExp: calls $4
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ts 3s]
TapiocaExp: bets $5
x.sebi.x: raises $9 to $14
KDunc: folds
TapiocaExp: calls $9
*** TURN *** [Kc Ts 3s] [Ac]
TapiocaExp: checks
x.sebi.x: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc Ts 3s Ac] [6c]
TapiocaExp: checks
x.sebi.x: checks
jennki18 has returned
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TapiocaExp: shows [Js Kd] (a pair of Kings)
x.sebi.x: mucks hand
TapiocaExp collected $42.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44.50 | Rake $2.15
Board [Kc Ts 3s Ac 6c]
Seat 1: KDunc folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ChuckTs (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: SingularityM (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gokings1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TapiocaExp showed [Js Kd] and won ($42.35) with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: LaJune folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: x.sebi.x mucked [Jh Jd]
Seat 9: 52iznutz folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Folding here is best although occasionly i may call/reraise depending on laggines of original raiser(x.sebi.x). If he is LAG then TapiocaExp can be on a wider range of hands(AJ+,22+,TJs) as he will most likely also know sebi is LAG.

POKERSTARS GAME #15138789661: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 01:53:30 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: KDunc ($59.05 in chips)
Seat 2: jennki18 ($152.60 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($57.60 in chips)
Seat 4: SingularityM ($22.60 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($135 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($108 in chips)
Seat 8: Colachito ($101.40 in chips)
Seat 9: theAlchemizt ($114 in chips)
gokings1: posts small blind $0.50
TapiocaExp: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Qs Ah]
LaJune: folds
Colachito: folds
theAlchemizt: folds
KDunc: calls $1
jennki18: folds
ChuckTs: raises $3.50 to $4.50
SingularityM: folds
gokings1: folds
TapiocaExp: calls $3.50
KDunc: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [Qd 9s 2s]
TapiocaExp: checks
KDunc: checks
ChuckTs: bets $9.50
TapiocaExp: calls $9.50
KDunc: folds
*** TURN *** [Qd 9s 2s] [Ad]
TapiocaExp: checks
ChuckTs: bets $20.50
TapiocaExp: calls $15.50 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [Qd 9s 2s Ad] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TapiocaExp: shows [Td Jd] (a flush, Ace high)
ChuckTs: mucks hand
TapiocaExp collected $61 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $64 | Rake $3
Board [Qd 9s 2s Ad 2d]
Seat 1: KDunc folded on the Flop
Seat 2: jennki18 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ChuckTs mucked [Qs Ah]
Seat 4: SingularityM (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: gokings1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TapiocaExp (big blind) showed [Td Jd] and won ($61) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 7: LaJune folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Colachito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: theAlchemizt folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Well playe pre and post flop, villian lucked out.

POKERSTARS GAME #15138776071: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 01:52:21 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: jennki18 ($101.60 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($110.10 in chips)
Seat 4: SingularityM ($23.10 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($136 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($29.50 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($108 in chips)
Seat 8: Colachito ($101.40 in chips)
Seat 9: theAlchemizt ($114 in chips)
SingularityM: posts small blind $0.50
gokings1: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [As Ah]
TapiocaExp: folds
LaJune: folds
Colachito: folds
theAlchemizt: folds
jennki18: calls $1
KDunc has returned
ChuckTs: raises $3.50 to $4.50
SingularityM: folds
gokings1: folds
jennki18: calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [6c Tc Th]
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: bets $7.50
jennki18: calls $7.50
*** TURN *** [6c Tc Th] [3c]
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: bets $17.50
jennki18: calls $17.50
*** RIVER *** [6c Tc Th 3c] [Qs]
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: bets $23
jennki18: calls $23
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ChuckTs: shows [As Ah] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
jennki18: shows [Ts 8d] (three of a kind, Tens)
jennki18 collected $103.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $106.50 | Rake $3
Board [6c Tc Th 3c Qs]
Seat 2: jennki18 showed [Ts 8d] and won ($103.50) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: ChuckTs (button) showed [As Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 4: SingularityM (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gokings1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TapiocaExp folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: LaJune folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Colachito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: theAlchemizt folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I think checking the river for a free showdown offers more merits than betting it. Villian has called your flop and turn bets, meaning that he has a good hand but isnt sure of its strength. A low flush or weak ten are possibilities as are JJ/QQ/KK. IMO hands that beat you on river call and hands that dont barring JJ/KK fold, so there arnt many hands in his range that are calling you and not beating your hand.
 
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POKERSTARS GAME #15138710768: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 01:46:53 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: KDunc ($66.05 in chips)
Seat 2: jennki18 ($109.05 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($100 in chips)
Seat 4: SingularityM ($18.50 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($136.50 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($31.45 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($109.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Colachito ($99 in chips)
Seat 9: theAlchemizt ($111.30 in chips)
gokings1: posts small blind $0.50
TapiocaExp: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [As Qh]
LaJune: folds
Colachito: folds
theAlchemizt: folds
KDunc: calls $1
jennki18: calls $1
ChuckTs: raises $4.50 to $5.50
SingularityM: folds
gokings1: folds
TapiocaExp: folds
KDunc: calls $4.50
jennki18: calls $4.50
*** FLOP *** [3d Ah 6h]
KDunc: checks
jennki18: checks
ChuckTs: bets $13
KDunc: folds
jennki18: folds
ChuckTs collected $17.10 from pot
ChuckTs: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18 | Rake $0.90
Board [3d Ah 6h]
Seat 1: KDunc folded on the Flop
Seat 2: jennki18 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ChuckTs collected ($17.10)
Seat 4: SingularityM (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: gokings1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TapiocaExp (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: LaJune folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Colachito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: theAlchemizt folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Good sized raise pf and flop bet. Overall well played :D

POKERSTARS GAME #15138662383: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 01:42:53 (ET)
Table 'Swings IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: KDunc ($58.75 in chips)
Seat 2: jennki18 ($105.60 in chips)
Seat 3: ChuckTs ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: gokings1 ($137.50 in chips)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp ($35.95 in chips)
Seat 7: LaJune ($111.20 in chips)
Seat 8: Bluff_man79 ($107.05 in chips)
Seat 9: theAlchemizt ($111.30 in chips)
Bluff_man79: posts small blind $0.50
theAlchemizt: posts big blind $1
SingularityM: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Qs Kd]
KDunc: folds
jennki18: calls $1
ChuckTs: calls $1
gokings1: folds
TapiocaExp: raises $7 to $8
LaJune: folds
Bluff_man79: folds
Bluff_man79 is sitting out
theAlchemizt: folds
jennki18: folds
ChuckTs: folds
TapiocaExp collected $4.50 from pot
TapiocaExp: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.50 | Rake $0
Seat 1: KDunc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: jennki18 folded before Flop
Seat 3: ChuckTs folded before Flop
Seat 5: gokings1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: TapiocaExp collected ($4.50)
Seat 7: LaJune (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bluff_man79 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: theAlchemizt (big blind) folded before Flop

KQo dosnt play that well in multiway pots, so i think either folding this hand p/f or more often raising it to $4 is a better play as it isolates an opponent HU and if someone comes over the to then you can easily fold p/f.

POKERSTARS GAME #15151510950: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 17:11:31 (ET)
Table 'Eurybates V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ChuckTs ($164.95 in chips)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS ($90 in chips)
Seat 3: NickB115 ($45.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Wpalango ($110.05 in chips)
Seat 5: veggiess ($95.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Dammn_Deuces ($103.50 in chips)
Seat 7: StyleGhost84 ($19 in chips)
Seat 8: craigshaq ($76.85 in chips)
Seat 9: chgkk ($59 in chips)
Dammn_Deuces: posts small blind $0.50
StyleGhost84: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [3s 3h]
craigshaq: folds
chgkk: folds
ChuckTs: raises $2.50 to $3.50
NNICOLAS: raises $8.50 to $12
NickB115: folds
Wpalango: folds
veggiess: folds
NickB115 is sitting out
Dammn_Deuces: folds
StyleGhost84: folds
ChuckTs: calls $8.50
*** FLOP *** [2c 8d 6h]
ChuckTs: checks
NNICOLAS: bets $26
ChuckTs: folds
NNICOLAS collected $24.25 from pot
NNICOLAS: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $25.50 | Rake $1.25
Board [2c 8d 6h]
Seat 1: ChuckTs folded on the Flop
Seat 2: NNICOLAS collected ($24.25)
Seat 3: NickB115 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Wpalango folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: veggiess (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Dammn_Deuces (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: StyleGhost84 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: craigshaq folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chgkk folded before Flop (didn't bet)

His re-raise p/f say QQ/KK/AA all over it. You most probably stack if you hit, seeing as though you didnt well folded.

POKERSTARS GAME #15151422463: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 17:07:25 (ET)
Table 'Eurybates V' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ChuckTs ($160.95 in chips)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS ($91.50 in chips)
Seat 3: NickB115 ($39.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Wpalango ($111.55 in chips)
Seat 5: veggiess ($95.95 in chips)
Seat 6: Dammn_Deuces ($100 in chips)
Seat 8: craigshaq ($85.85 in chips)
ChuckTs: posts small blind $0.50
NNICOLAS: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Qs Qd]
NickB115: folds
Wpalango: folds
veggiess: folds
chgkk joins the table at seat #9
Dammn_Deuces: folds
craigshaq: raises $2 to $3
ChuckTs: raises $8 to $11
NNICOLAS: folds
craigshaq: folds
StyleGhost84 joins the table at seat #7
ChuckTs collected $7 from pot
ChuckTs: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7 | Rake $0
Seat 1: ChuckTs (small blind) collected ($7)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: NickB115 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Wpalango folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: veggiess folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Dammn_Deuces folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: craigshaq (button) folded before Flop

Standard re-raise.
 
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AA hand is against a very very loose guy and I expect him to look me up with just a huge chunk of his range. It's still a little thin, but I had him on a 99 type hand (which was obv way off).

33 hand should actually be a fold pf since we're barely even getting odds vs a full stack, but he's 10bb shorter.
 
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hand number 1 - I dont like the push all in on the turn, i think we are losing out on a whole load of value. I think we are better off, letting the timer run down a bit, then flat calling, enticing a river bet from villain. I think that is a lot more profitable than pushing since what calls us there?

Can you really put anyone on another jack? Since why would another jack not lead out or re raise that flop, and even if they are effectively slow playing top pair by flat calling on flop. Surely they would check to you when they hit trips. I just see the only hand calling our push is a full house.

Hand 5 - Im thinknig back to the article you just wrote where you touched upon the wa/wb concept. Surely this turn card creates that scenario?

What calls on flop that we are losing to - any ten and the flush, which is the only draw that makes sense since i doubt villain called with a gutshot. Also pocket 6's.

What calls that we beat - Pocket 9's - 2's with the exception of 6's. Youd imagine jacks or better to have raised initally pre flop instead of limped, or 3 bet it. We also beat 2 fishing over cards.

Now surely your turn bet is going to scare away all hands except those that are beating you? Maybe a pp will call, but id much prefer to check behind on that turn, and allow the pp's an opportunity to bet into us.

Although i dont like it, i can live with your turn bet, but what are you trying to achieve by betting the river? What calls that we beat? An oddly played k,q? Thats about it.

EDIT: Damn took to long to write this, just saw your post above chuck about the aces hand, but pocket 9's is possibly the only hand that we beat. therefore 1 hand of many that will call that river we have beat. Dont think its too wise of a play
 
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POKERSTARS GAME #15151209511: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 16:57:36 (ET)
Table 'Eurybates V' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ChuckTs ($150.05 in chips)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS ($97 in chips)
Seat 4: Wpalango ($113.05 in chips)
Seat 5: veggiess ($106.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 ($73.45 in chips)
Seat 7: kobbert ($83.95 in chips)
Seat 8: craigshaq ($89.50 in chips)
Seat 9: mikey737 ($95.50 in chips)
ChuckTs: posts small blind $0.50
NNICOLAS: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Ad Kc]
Wpalango: folds
veggiess: calls $1
Flyfisher719: calls $1
kobbert: folds
craigshaq: folds
mikey737: folds
ChuckTs: raises $5 to $6
NNICOLAS: folds
veggiess: folds
Flyfisher719: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9h Qc]
ChuckTs: bets $9.50
Flyfisher719: folds
ChuckTs collected $13.30 from pot
ChuckTs: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14 | Rake $0.70
Board [Ts 9h Qc]
Seat 1: ChuckTs (small blind) collected ($13.30)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Wpalango folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: veggiess folded before Flop
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 folded on the Flop
Seat 7: kobbert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: craigshaq folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mikey737 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Standard c-bet. What type of range are you putting villian on here considering his call p/f?

POKERSTARS GAME #15151183566: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 16:56:24 (ET)
Table 'Eurybates V' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: ChuckTs ($151.05 in chips)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS ($97 in chips)
Seat 4: Wpalango ($114.05 in chips)
Seat 5: veggiess ($106.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 ($73.45 in chips)
Seat 7: kobbert ($82.45 in chips)
Seat 8: craigshaq ($87.65 in chips)
Seat 9: mikey737 ($97 in chips)
craigshaq: posts small blind $0.50
mikey737: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [9c Tc]
ChuckTs: folds
NNICOLAS: folds
Wpalango: calls $1
veggiess: folds
Flyfisher719: folds
kobbert: folds
craigshaq: calls $0.50
mikey737: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 7c Qc]
craigshaq: checks
mikey737: checks
Wpalango: checks
*** TURN *** [4s 7c Qc] [3h]
craigshaq: checks
mikey737: checks
Wpalango: checks
*** RIVER *** [4s 7c Qc 3h] [9h]
craigshaq: checks
mikey737: checks
Wpalango: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
craigshaq: shows [3s 6s] (a pair of Threes)
mikey737: mucks hand
Wpalango: mucks hand
craigshaq collected $2.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3 | Rake $0.15
Board [4s 7c Qc 3h 9h]
Seat 1: ChuckTs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Wpalango mucked [2s 2h]
Seat 5: veggiess folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kobbert (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: craigshaq (small blind) showed [3s 6s] and won ($2.85) with a pair of Threes
Seat 9: mikey737 (big blind) mucked [6d Jc]

Have you ever considered playin suited connectors like this for EP to mix it up and make it hard for observant players to put you on a hand? Using small ball tactics but form EP.

POKERSTARS GAME #15151068447: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 16:51:03 (ET)
Table 'Eurybates V' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ChuckTs ($154.05 in chips)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: bulldogg03 ($80.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Wpalango ($116.55 in chips)
Seat 5: veggiess ($115.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 ($73.45 in chips)
Seat 7: kobbert ($72.40 in chips)
Seat 8: craigshaq ($84 in chips)
Seat 9: mikey737 ($96 in chips)
mikey737: posts small blind $0.50
ChuckTs: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [8d 8c]
NNICOLAS: folds
bulldogg03: folds
Wpalango: folds
veggiess: folds
Flyfisher719: folds
kobbert: raises $3 to $4
craigshaq: folds
mikey737: folds
ChuckTs: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Ad 9d 7d]
ChuckTs: checks
kobbert: bets $3
ChuckTs: folds
kobbert collected $8.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.50 | Rake $0.40
Board [Ad 9d 7d]
Seat 1: ChuckTs (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: NNICOLAS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bulldogg03 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Wpalango folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: veggiess folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kobbert collected ($8.10)
Seat 8: craigshaq (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mikey737 (small blind) folded before Flop

Flop has some bluff value in c/r villians weak c-bet. If villian has a wide range that he will c-bet here then c/r has its merits as it may also make a weaker Ace fold. In general though folding is best unless you have some read to suggest that villian will fold to a c/r. Player dependent to wether I c/r or c/f here.

POKERSTARS GAME #15151019266: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 16:48:46 (ET)
Table 'Eurybates V' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: ChuckTs ($146.25 in chips)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: bulldogg03 ($80.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Wpalango ($116.05 in chips)
Seat 5: veggiess ($114.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 ($73.95 in chips)
Seat 7: kobbert ($73.90 in chips)
Seat 8: craigshaq ($91.50 in chips)
Seat 9: mikey737 ($97 in chips)
Flyfisher719: posts small blind $0.50
kobbert: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [Kh Qs]
craigshaq: calls $1
mikey737: folds
ChuckTs: calls $1
NNICOLAS: folds
bulldogg03: folds
Wpalango: calls $1
veggiess: folds
Flyfisher719: folds
kobbert: checks
*** FLOP *** [4c Kd Td]
kobbert: checks
craigshaq: bets $1
ChuckTs: raises $4 to $5
Wpalango: folds
kobbert: folds
craigshaq: calls $4
*** TURN *** [4c Kd Td] [2s]
craigshaq: checks
ChuckTs: bets $9.50
craigshaq: folds
ChuckTs collected $13.80 from pot
ChuckTs: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.50 | Rake $0.70
Board [4c Kd Td 2s]
Seat 1: ChuckTs collected ($13.80)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bulldogg03 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Wpalango folded on the Flop
Seat 5: veggiess (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Flyfisher719 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: kobbert (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: craigshaq folded on the Turn
Seat 9: mikey737 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Once again i think the limp with KQo is weak. Better to have less players see the flop and win the pot with a c-bet than give blinds free/cheap flops.

POKERSTARS GAME #15150960761: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/02/08 - 16:46:02 (ET)
Table 'Eurybates V' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: ChuckTs ($154.75 in chips)
Seat 2: NNICOLAS ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: bulldogg03 ($63.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Wpalango ($117.55 in chips)
Seat 5: veggiess ($114.45 in chips)
Seat 7: kobbert ($80.90 in chips)
Seat 8: craigshaq ($91.50 in chips)
Seat 9: mikey737 ($97 in chips)
bulldogg03: posts small blind $0.50
Wpalango: posts big blind $1
Flyfisher719: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChuckTs [2h 2d]
veggiess: folds
kobbert: folds
craigshaq: folds
mikey737: folds
ChuckTs: raises $2.50 to $3.50
NNICOLAS: folds
bulldogg03: calls $3
Wpalango: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 7d Jh]
bulldogg03: checks
ChuckTs: bets $5
bulldogg03: calls $5
*** TURN *** [Ah 7d Jh] [7h]
bulldogg03: bets $8
ChuckTs: folds
bulldogg03 collected $17.15 from pot
bulldogg03: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $18 | Rake $0.85
Board [Ah 7d Jh 7h]
Seat 1: ChuckTs folded on the Turn
Seat 2: NNICOLAS (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bulldogg03 (small blind) collected ($17.15)
Seat 4: Wpalango (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: veggiess folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: kobbert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: craigshaq folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mikey737 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

c-bet dosnt come off, not much you beat once flush hits the turn.
 
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Hand 1: Early position I prefer limping behind him instead of raising. On the flop you're bet seemed a bit large, you have a very good hand you want to get some action, a $6-8 bet seems better than a pot bet IMo. And you have such a strong hand, you really are just worried about a flush draw here, I think you should have raised smaller to try to get a call, like $60 is good.

Hand 3: K9 you should fold, because there's a great chance you're up against KQ KJ K10 and are dominated. Medium suited connectors and small pairs are good calling hands here cuz of the implied odds but with K - X or Q - X you have reverse implied odds since you might flop top pair but still be behind. K9 is suited here though so I guess a limp is ok. Postflop you saw 3 checks ahead of you why not make a feeler bet, like a 1/2 pot bet? On the turn they all checked again so its obvious you should bet here. Then on the river...how many checks do you have to see before you realize you have the best hand? It's possible someone has ace rag and is loosepassive or tightpassive but if you bet on the river it looks like a steal and you can get callers from weaker hands, like king 3 for instance.

Hand 4: AQ os in middle position against one limper and one raiser who raised 5x bb and a caller. Folding or calling here is ok I think.

Hand 5: AQ again, you played this one fine just got sucked out on.

Hand 6: Interesting hand. AA vs 10 8. Wow this opponent is a calling station, talk about loose passive. On the flop you bet about 3/4th pot which was fine, there's a inside straight draw and a flush draw out there. (Say the flop was 10 10 3 rainbow, then you should check AA instead of bet, since you're not worried about getting outdrawn, the turn could pair him, and if he does have trips or 33 you're saving some money). On the turn after he called, it's obvious he didn't have a gutshot straight draw since he called a 3/4th pot bet. And if he had a flush draw he just hit it. So at this point, you don't really have to protect your hand so checking is better than betting. This opponent played the hand so passively I can't blame you at all for betting on the river, since it really looks like you have the
best hand.

And for the pocket 3s in the second set of hands, I don't get this play at all. You have a small pair in early/middle position and you raise? Fold or maybe call if you think you could get a few limpers behind you. Then you were reraised by the next player, this is an easy fold preflop.
 
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Standard c-bet. What type of range are you putting villian on here considering his call p/f?

Actually a range that kind of calls for a check behind...

I think he's most probably on small pairs, QJ type hands or weak aces/kings; didn't like my c-bet all that much.

Have you ever considered playin suited connectors like this for EP to mix it up and make it hard for observant players to put you on a hand? Using small ball tactics but form EP.

Yes actually. Players at 100nl (especially the regs obviously) are much more observant and I'm finding I have to throw 68s/JTs/small pairs etc into my EP range or else I just become too predictable.

I've been experimenting a lot more recently with different tactics since my ugly start at 100nl. I'm finding in general a much more aggressive game helps tons - stealing more, raising wider ranges, floating, etc etc.

Regarding the KQ hands, I agree they were pretty weaksauce...I think a couple of them I'd been a little too aggressive lately so I decided to limp instead of raise, but it's still weak.
 
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AA hand is against a very very loose guy and I expect him to look me up with just a huge chunk of his range. It's still a little thin, but I had him on a 99 type hand (which was obv way off).

33 hand should actually be a fold pf since we're barely even getting odds vs a full stack, but he's 10bb shorter.

Seems to me like you put villian on a hand that your AA could beat so that it didnt seem like a marginal/bad play at the time.
 
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Actually a range that kind of calls for a check behind...

I think he's most probably on small pairs, QJ type hands or weak aces/kings; didn't like my c-bet all that much.

Considering you had 2 overs and a straight draw, i still think you c-bet isnt overly bad as the hands he calls your c-bet alomost always get beat when you do hit.
 
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Hand 1: Early position I prefer limping behind him instead of raising. On the flop you're bet seemed a bit large, you have a very good hand you want to get some action, a $6-8 bet seems better than a pot bet IMo. And you have such a strong hand, you really are just worried about a flush draw here, I think you should have raised smaller to try to get a call, like $60 is good.

Regarding the flop bet, we're not betting certain amounts based on the strength of our hand. My standard c-bet, hit or miss, is 3/4 the pot.

As for the river bet I don't get yours and munchr's logic. We're not folding out anything with an $88 bet that will call a $60 bet. If I raise that inviting amount, he's just as likely to fold his TT or whatever. Maybe even more since it looks so strong - players start to pay attention to these little things at these stakes; they won't assume the size of my bet directly relates to the strength of my hand.

Hand 3: K9 you should fold, because there's a great chance you're up against KQ KJ K10 and are dominated. Medium suited connectors and small pairs are good calling hands here cuz of the implied odds but with K - X or Q - X you have reverse implied odds since you might flop top pair but still be behind. K9 is suited here though so I guess a limp is ok. Postflop you saw 3 checks ahead of you why not make a feeler bet, like a 1/2 pot bet? On the turn they all checked again so its obvious you should bet here. Then on the river...how many checks do you have to see before you realize you have the best hand? It's possible someone has ace rag and is loosepassive or tightpassive but if you bet on the river it looks like a steal and you can get callers from weaker hands, like king 3 for instance.

PF this was a reads-based play again. I'm playing it for 2 pair + value there and am confident I can lay down weak one-pair hands postflop. This is purely an implied odds hand here.

Postflop was a little weak too, but I just didn't see myself getting value from many worse hands.

And for the pocket 3s in the second set of hands, I don't get this play at all. You have a small pair in early/middle position and you raise? Fold or maybe call if you think you could get a few limpers behind you. Then you were reraised by the next player, this is an easy fold preflop.

I completely agree to folding to the reraise - we're simply not getting implied odds. My reasoning for calling was that I'm almost always stacking that guy postflop if I hit my 3 since he was so nitty (3% PFR). Even so we're still not getting IO though.

Preflop is pretty standard for me now. 25nl and below you can get away with limping any pair from any position, but at 50nl and above the regs start punishing your limps and the last thing I want with a small pair is to play a raised pot out of position. Ironic considering I call the 3-bet against the guy in the hand, but it was a bad call.

(The value of stacking guys postflop when we limp-call) - (the pots we lose by limp-calling and missing)

isn't as great as

(the total value of the blinds we win) + (the pots we win postflop with a c-bet) + (the pots we win when we stack with a very disguised hand) - (the value we lose when we get 3-bet out of the pot)
 
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Hand 1: Early position I prefer limping behind him instead of raising. On the flop you're bet seemed a bit large, you have a very good hand you want to get some action, a $6-8 bet seems better than a pot bet IMo. And you have such a strong hand, you really are just worried about a flush draw here, I think you should have raised smaller to try to get a call, like $60 is good..

lol cause the guy is going to call $60 when we'll have $28 behind in a like $150 pot, but he's not gonna call $88. like chuck said, if anything that just telegraphs more strength and gives him an easier fold

And for the pocket 3s in the second set of hands, I don't get this play at all. You have a small pair in early/middle position and you raise? Fold or maybe call if you think you could get a few limpers behind you.

ffs, we have a pair in a cash game, 100 bb stacks. this is what cash game profits thrive on.. implied odds. folding is not an option. yeah, you could open limp with these sort of hands and raise everything else if your opponents are super unobservant and have no concept of ranges.

plus it's a hundred times easier to win a stack with a set in a raised pot than unraised. also even when we miss it's much easier to take the pot down postflop when we've initiated control of the hand with a raise. it's a very curious thing to say you don't "get" this play. this is the standard and you should need a good reason to do anything else
 
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I like the raise with 33 just not the call of the 3 bet. You should really be looking for implied odds of 12:1 and you're not even close to getting them (I read your post and know you know this was a bad call).

Chuck what are your PT stats? I'm asking because if I remember correctly from your previous posts we're close but I'm finding it very difficult lately to get action with my bigger hands and it really seems like you're getting the calls you want (and a few you don't).
 
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just to clarify, i don't like the call of the 3bet either. but yeah, the open raise is certainly fine and not even questionable
 
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Chuck did you not see my post? Just wanted your veiws on it, its posted between 6-10 and 10-15
 
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Chuck did you not see my post? Just wanted your veiws on it, its posted between 6-10 and 10-15

Sorry switch, completely missed it...

hand number 1 - I dont like the push all in on the turn, i think we are losing out on a whole load of value. I think we are better off, letting the timer run down a bit, then flat calling, enticing a river bet from villain. I think that is a lot more profitable than pushing since what calls us there?
Can you really put anyone on another jack? Since why would another jack not lead out or re raise that flop, and even if they are effectively slow playing top pair by flat calling on flop. Surely they would check to you when they hit trips. I just see the only hand calling our push is a full house.

Very good point and I actually like the idea of calling. My concern in the hand was letting the flush get there, but I think that's a tiny part of his range. He's basically telegraphing a medium pair here, I think.

Hand 5 - Im thinknig back to the article you just wrote where you touched upon the wa/wb concept. Surely this turn card creates that scenario?

What calls on flop that we are losing to - any ten and the flush, which is the only draw that makes sense since i doubt villain called with a gutshot. Also pocket 6's.

What calls that we beat - Pocket 9's - 2's with the exception of 6's. Youd imagine jacks or better to have raised initally pre flop instead of limped, or 3 bet it. We also beat 2 fishing over cards.

Now surely your turn bet is going to scare away all hands except those that are beating you? Maybe a pp will call, but id much prefer to check behind on that turn, and allow the pp's an opportunity to bet into us.

Although i dont like it, i can live with your turn bet, but what are you trying to achieve by betting the river? What calls that we beat? An oddly played k,q? Thats about it.

I'm way too lazy to dig up his stats right now, but as I mentioned this guy was a huge calling station - I'm rarely 3-barreling this spot but I felt there were a lot of hands in his range that would look me up.

The river is a little thin - I'd seen him make some pretty loose calls, but hadn't seen him call a 3-barrel yet. I'm not sure how often he calls with those med pairs but I don't think it's a huge mistake betting the river. It's close.

Again, I completely agree with your analysis, but think it would apply more to a tighter player.

EDIT: Damn took to long to write this, just saw your post above chuck about the aces hand, but pocket 9's is possibly the only hand that we beat. therefore 1 hand of many that will call that river we have beat. Dont think its too wise of a play

I like the raise with 33 just not the call of the 3 bet. You should really be looking for implied odds of 12:1 and you're not even close to getting them (I read your post and know you know this was a bad call).

Chuck what are your PT stats? I'm asking because if I remember correctly from your previous posts we're close but I'm finding it very difficult lately to get action with my bigger hands and it really seems like you're getting the calls you want (and a few you don't).

14/10/4 at 100nl so far (30k hands). I was ~15/8.5/3.5 at 25nl and 50nl. Not sure what stakes you play, but I find at 100nl my opponents are observant enough for me to have to put in quite a few balancing plays.

I do some smaller things like donking with small pairs, raising in EP with 57s and check-raise bluffing. When I show those hands down it really puts my opponents on their heels. I'll sometimes even make very thin (and probably clearly -EV) bluffs that give me a nice image for getting paid off with.

At the lower stakes you probably don't have to do anything to alter your image as players don't pay attention anyways. I basically played a very exploitable nutmining game at 25nl and still got paid off most times I hit. I had to start throwing in some steals and stuff at 50nl, but nothing too crazy.
 
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Sorry switch, completely missed it...





14/10/4 at 100nl so far (30k hands). I was ~15/8.5/3.5 at 25nl and 50nl. Not sure what stakes you play, but I find at 100nl my opponents are observant enough for me to have to put in quite a few balancing plays.

I do some smaller things like donking with small pairs, raising in EP with 57s and check-raise bluffing. When I show those hands down it really puts my opponents on their heels. I'll sometimes even make very thin (and probably clearly -EV) bluffs that give me a nice image for getting paid off with.

At the lower stakes you probably don't have to do anything to alter your image as players don't pay attention anyways. I basically played a very exploitable nutmining game at 25nl and still got paid off most times I hit. I had to start throwing in some steals and stuff at 50nl, but nothing too crazy.

What were your winrates at $25NL and $50NL?
 
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Just a little bit more regarding the first hand. You say that you didnt want the flush catching up, which is part of his range. Well if that is the case, dont we want to maximize value by putting in a bit that he may call with the draw but wont be getting odds too? So something such as 55$-60$. By doing this we are effectivly committing villain to calling river aswell with only 20 behind.

So basically a bet to 55 may entice a call from everything in his range of hands that we beat and also commits him to being all in on river. Therefore you are acheiving your goal of going all in, but in 2 stages which are more likely to be called.
 
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Again I think FDs are a tiny portion of his range and most of the time we're seeing bluffs/one pair hands so we really shouldn't be stressing about how to play against them (obv in general we want to make them pay).

Anyways again I like a call in retrospect because we're almost always seeing bluffs and TT type hands imo, and against that range we want to induce more action as raising just scares them out.

These are the little things I occasionally miss when multitabling, especially when I get like 3 big decisions at the same time. My basic thought process was 'protect vs the draw, get value from smaller jacks' but didn't really stop and think if those hands would play that way.
 
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Good to get that sorted out :smile:.

I was also unaware that you were multi tabling at the time. On that basis you will probably never call since you wouldnt have the time to really think about the range of villain and how the hand was played out. Probably couldnt remember on turn what had happened on flop. Based on that what you did works fine to take down that pot
 
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