AJ OOP

[loopmeister]

** Game ID 16625529 starting - 2007-01-13 12:51:14
** Moet [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 No Limit - Cash Game) real money

- popey sitting in seat 1 with R254.75 [Sitting out]
- fathat sitting in seat 2 with R119.75 [SB]
- bananaman sitting in seat 3 with R260.75 [BB]
- THONDI sitting in seat 4 with R135.75
- Kingfisher sitting in seat 5 with R258.50
- loopy sitting in seat 6 with R247.00
- the4thPigg sitting in seat 7 with R119.63
- Africard sitting in seat 8 with R186.75 [Dealer]

fathat posted the small blind - R1.00
bananaman posted the big blind - R2.00

** Dealing card to loopy: Jack of Diamonds, Ace of Hearts
THONDI called - R2.00
Kingfisher folded
loopy raised - R12.00
the4thPigg folded
Africard raised - R22.00
fathat folded
bananaman folded
THONDI folded
loopy called - R22.00

** Dealing the flop: 4 of Diamonds, 2 of Clubs, 5 of Clubs
loopy checked
Africard checked

** Dealing the turn: Jack of Spades
loopy bet - R25.00
Africard called - R25.00

** Dealing the river: 3 of Hearts
loopy ????

Comments on the play so far?
What next?

 

[loopmeister]

I just realised that it was a brain-dead cutting the HH where I did.
Clear bet, right?

So I bet 60.
Insta-call,

Villian shows down 6s7s. I mean really, wtf??
So I lose a big pot to a higher straight.

Could I have gotten away from this? Bigger bet on the turn, maybe? Or is it one of those hands...

The good news is that I double up against him several hands later when I beat his nut flush with my first ever straight flush. Sweet revenge

 

[blankoblanco]

Villain just called? Why wouldn't he raise, he's got the nuts...

 

[ChuckTs]

First: why the huge raise PF?

I'd be clueless as to what he would have. Minreraise preflop generally means monster to me (LOL 67) and I'd have to proceed with caution. Post flop, up to you hitting your jack he looks incredibly weak. I really don't know what to say; the last thing I put him on on the river is a 6, nevermind 67. And LOL at his cold call with the nuts....

 

[joosebuck]

"Could I have gotten away from this?"

Preflop, actually.

 

[Bombjack]

If you bet 60 on the river and he pushes, you probably have to call 75 more, right?

 

[Bombjack]

"Could I have gotten away from this?"

Preflop, actually.

You'd fold AJ to 67?

 

[joosebuck]

if i raise 6x from EP (i wouldnt with AJo anyway) and get reraised, yeah.

 

[ChuckTs]

You'd fold AJ to 67?

How are you supposed to know you're up against 67?

if i raise 6x from EP (i wouldnt with AJo anyway) and get reraised, yeah.

I completely agree, though his minraise gives us great odds...I don't like the 6x raise in the first place. It serves no purpose in my mind. Committing that much with a hand as marginal as AJ is unnecessary

 

[joosebuck]

i dont know what you are calling his preflop reraise expecting to be ahead of. it's not like 5 people called the raise before him and he's raising with a middle pair since he has immediate odds.. your raise, (and his really) just make no sense.,

 

[dbitel]

fold preflop after the rr unless you have a very strong read.

check turn

bet river and calla push...obv

 

[zebranky]

different take...

I might disagree with the PF bet amount, but not the idea. Try for 3x or 4xBB. At 6xBB, your only callers are better hands than yours, or at least they should be.
I would call the minraise, but be very wary because he min-raised from the button. It reeks of pot-building.

I'm not sure about checking on the flop, but I'm not convinced whether betting is appropriate either, so I'll assume a check is good.
Bet the turn, bet it heavy. You've got TPTK, and with the PF play, it doesn't make sense for him to have trips, 2 pair, a made straight, or even one pair. I would usually put my opponent on the flush draw here (AK?) and really want to get him to pay for it or fold.

As for the river - bet if you're feeling lucky, but I say this is a check. Fold to a big bet, call any small ones that won't hurt your stack.

And make sure to find this guy the next time you play - I would love playing the sort of folks who re-raise PF with 67, and call a 1/2 pot bet on the turn for an OESD.

 

[zebranky]

fold preflop after the rr unless you have a very strong read.

check turn

bet river and calla push...obv

You know, I'm sure we are both profitable players - why do we always seem to say exactly the opposite things?

this is why I love this forum - because you can get legitimate and valuable advice to go either way!

 

[dbitel]

zeb,

If I was to guess, it would be because you said IIRC that you play a lot of live poker.

In general, live poker players are thinking on a few levels below online players, so that would account for the difference in views.

As for preflop, 4xBB + 1 BB for every limper is standard.

We have to fold to the rr, as without reads, it reeks of a monster and Ajo is badly dominated

Flop is a very easy c/f. (An arguement could be made for a C/R AI if you're opponent 3bets very light and is capable of folding AK/AQ to a check/shove)

On the turn, we have to assume that we are way ahead (unless our opponent got tricky and checked JJ+ on the flop) Villain will just about never check 77-TT on the flop, so there is very little we can value bet aganst. if your read is such that villain will call a bet on teh turn with AK/AQ, then fine, bet...but otherwise, checking to induce a bluff is far better.

I don't know why you put villain on a Fd here, all he's done so far is to rr preflop and to check the flop (and most ppl will cbet the flop with 2 overs, a FD and a GS).

On the river, I got no idea why you are looking to fold. Its pretty tough to put villain on a hand with a 6 in, given preflop and his flop check.

Also, villain's reraise preflop with 67s is very nice (see my strt post on light 3betting) ESPECIALLY if hero is going to be calling reraises with AJo and playing fit or fold. His only mistake preflop was not reraising large enough.

On the flop, villain obv should have bet.

On the turn, villain has a trivally easy call as well

 

[loopmeister]

First: why the huge raise PF?

I wondered about that myself. I was playing a 2/4 table at the same time and I must have gotten muddled. I would have been aiming for a 3x raise.

 

[zebranky]

zeb,

If I was to guess, it would be because you said IIRC that you play a lot of live poker.

In general, live poker players are thinking on a few levels below online players, so that would account for the difference in views.

I strongly disagree about live players - I think the level of play is both more consistent and overall better poker in the live games. This may be a byproduct of the varying dollar amounts I play at (I have no problem having a grand on the table in a live game, but won't commit 100 bucks to an online one), I don't know.
Obviously, however, my game is a lot more profitable live than online (why else my preference for live games), so maybe we're just talking two different monsters here... As I've pointed out before, your style would probably not be very good in the casinos I play - but conversely I know my online play is not a whole lot better than break-even most days.