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light65536

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Playing .01/.02 NL I went from a +10 winner on over 2k hands to a -8 loser (18 lost from my peak equity high). I went from consistent winner to a consistent loser thus I've quit playing for money for now. Closing out my account for now but might return later. My style worked really well which I varied between semi-loose-aggressive and very-tight selective aggressive. Two player types took most of my money: super aggressive players--defined by players who bet more then 5x the BB and quite often and money bulls (players who go all in when they hit a sure thing). Maybe I went on tilt or just got burned out from playing too much. I was hoping to build a bankroll but i was wasting lot of time on it anyway. The super aggressive players basically obviously don't belong in micros because they will bet $1 or $2 on a pair only and most rounds. Of course, you say well just be very tight and pick them off but that is assuming you get a perfect flop or else you have to call an all-in bet hoping the SA doesnt' have anything.

Here are just a few of the ways I lost-- lost pots and my money. Any insightful analysis is useful on whether I played these hands right or wrong. I made a lot of bad plays too but this is just a selection of ways I lost.

pokerstars GAME #16231565604: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/25 - 00:20:52 (ET)
Table 'Kolga IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Quikone007 ($4.88 in chips)
Seat 2: luckylma ($1.63 in chips)
Seat 3: patetsonia ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: CaffeAddict ($3.12 in chips)
Seat 5: 546545 ($3.15 in chips)
Seat 6: cjsqhtks ($3.72 in chips)
Seat 7: Trimmann ($1.61 in chips)
Seat 8: light65536 ($1.28 in chips)
Seat 9: igorhaick ($1.85 in chips)
luckylma: posts small blind $0.01
patetsonia: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Tc Th]
CaffeAddict: calls $0.02
546545: folds
cjsqhtks: folds
Trimmann: folds
light65536: calls $0.02
igorhaick: calls $0.02
Quikone007: calls $0.02
luckylma: folds
patetsonia: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 2h 6s]
patetsonia: checks
CaffeAddict: bets $0.10
light65536: raises $0.10 to $0.20
igorhaick: raises $0.10 to $0.30
Quikone007: calls $0.30
patetsonia: folds
CaffeAddict: folds
light65536: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [4h 2h 6s] 8♦
light65536: bets $0.96 and is all-in
igorhaick: raises $0.57 to $1.53 and is all-in
Quikone007: calls $1.53
*** RIVER *** [4h 2h 6s 8d] 7♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
igorhaick: shows [6h 8h] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)
Quikone007: mucks hand
igorhaick collected $1.04 from side pot
light65536: mucks hand
igorhaick collected $3.84 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.13 Main pot $3.84. Side pot $1.04. | Rake $0.25
Board [4h 2h 6s 8d 7c]
Seat 1: Quikone007 (button) mucked [Kh Ks]
Seat 2: luckylma (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: patetsonia (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: CaffeAddict folded on the Flop
Seat 5: 546545 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cjsqhtks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Trimmann folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: light65536 mucked [Tc Th]
Seat 9: igorhaick showed [6h 8h] and won ($4.88) with two pair, Eights and Sixes

I thought he might be on J-10, A-K, or a flush draw. J-10 was right. I was 50/50 J-10 but I thought he might be on AK too. Typical "money bull" play.

POKERSTARS GAME #16302553521: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/27 - 23:36:26 (ET)
Table 'Halley' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: AidaGoli ($2.80 in chips)
Seat 3: J_-420-_06 ($0.82 in chips)
Seat 4: drgnbttrfly ($3.31 in chips)
Seat 5: muff5000 ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 6: OakCliff Ham ($1.09 in chips)
Seat 7: labattblue39 ($5.49 in chips)
Seat 8: Quikone007 ($6.72 in chips)
Seat 9: light65536 ($2 in chips)
Quikone007: posts small blind $0.01
light65536: posts big blind $0.02
winehouse: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [As Kc]
AidaGoli: raises $0.02 to $0.04
J_-420-_06: calls $0.04
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.04
muff5000: calls $0.04
OakCliff Ham: folds
labattblue39: calls $0.04
Quikone007: folds
light65536: raises $0.06 to $0.10
AidaGoli: calls $0.06
J_-420-_06: folds
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.06
muff5000: calls $0.06
labattblue39: calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [9c 4c Ks]
light65536: bets $0.12
AidaGoli: calls $0.12
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.12
muff5000: calls $0.12
labattblue39: calls $0.12
*** TURN *** [9c 4c Ks] Q♦
light65536: bets $0.20
AidaGoli: raises $2.38 to $2.58 and is all-in
drgnbttrfly: folds
muff5000: folds
labattblue39: folds
light65536: calls $1.58 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [9c 4c Ks Qd] Q♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
light65536: shows [As Kc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
AidaGoli: shows [Js Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
AidaGoli collected $4.51 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.71 | Rake $0.20
Board [9c 4c Ks Qd Qh]
Seat 1: AidaGoli showed [Js Ts] and won ($4.51) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 3: J_-420-_06 folded before Flop
Seat 4: drgnbttrfly folded on the Turn
Seat 5: muff5000 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: OakCliff Ham folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: labattblue39 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Quikone007 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: light65536 (big blind) showed [As Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens

I knew this guy didn't have an ACE because he was playing so many hands. I couldn't protect my hand even with the help on the turn and I couldn't put the guy on a hand because I knew he wasn't likely to have AK. Another money-bull play.

POKERSTARS GAME #16275229688: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/26 - 20:44:20 (ET)
Table 'Evita III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: --Ohptello-- ($6.02 in chips)
Seat 2: light65536 ($1.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Teksas_Jack ($4.94 in chips)
Seat 4: TheHashashin ($4.42 in chips)
Seat 5: Black Delta ($5.03 in chips)
--Ohptello--: posts small blind $0.01
light65536: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Th Ac]
Teksas_Jack: calls $0.02
TheHashashin: folds
Black Delta: calls $0.02
--Ohptello--: folds
light65536: raises $0.02 to $0.04
Teksas_Jack: calls $0.02
Black Delta: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ad 8d]
light65536: bets $0.10
Teksas_Jack: folds
Black Delta: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [Kh Ad 8d] [Tc]
light65536: bets $0.20
Black Delta: calls $0.20
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ad 8d Tc] 8♠
light65536: bets $0.30
Black Delta: raises $1.70 to $2
light65536: calls $0.86 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Black Delta: shows [6h 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)
light65536: mucks hand
Black Delta collected $2.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.05 | Rake $0.15
Board [Kh Ad 8d Tc 8s]
Seat 1: --Ohptello-- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: light65536 (big blind) mucked [Th Ac]
Seat 3: Teksas_Jack folded on the Flop
Seat 4: TheHashashin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Black Delta (button) showed [6h 8h] and won ($2.90) with three of a kind, Eights

A super aggressive player.. trying to stop. No luck.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Jh Ah]
light65536: calls $0.01
Parhammer has returned
jacobdubbel: raises $8.87 to $8.89 and is all-in
light65536: calls $3.58 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7d Td 5d]
*** TURN *** [7d Td 5d] Q♠
*** RIVER *** [7d Td 5d Qs] 6♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jacobdubbel: shows [3c Qh] (a pair of Queens)
light65536: mucks hand
jacobdubbel collected $6.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.20 | Rake $0.35
Board [7d Td 5d Qs 6d]
Seat 5: jacobdubbel (big blind) showed [3c Qh] and won ($6.85) with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: light65536 (button) (small blind) mucked [Jh Ah]

Perfect flop gone wrong...

POKERSTARS GAME #16113918449: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/20 - 11:06:06 (ET)
Table 'Kajam V' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Jensesc ($1.01 in chips)
Seat 2: ShutUpNdeal4 ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 4: LARSc10 ($2.42 in chips)
Seat 5: Tony260491 ($2.22 in chips)
Seat 6: hossemikko ($2.49 in chips)
Seat 7: light65536 ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 8: ditzichick ($1.17 in chips)
Seat 9: kazzaz1337 ($0.99 in chips)
Jensesc: posts small blind $0.01
ShutUpNdeal4: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Kd Ks]
LARSc10: folds
Tony260491: calls $0.02
hossemikko: folds
light65536: raises $0.02 to $0.04
ditzichick: calls $0.04
kazzaz1337: folds
Jensesc: calls $0.03
ShutUpNdeal4: calls $0.02
Tony260491: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9h 7c]
Jensesc: checks
ShutUpNdeal4: checks
Tony260491: checks
light65536: bets $0.25
ditzichick: folds
Jensesc: calls $0.25
ShutUpNdeal4: folds
Tony260491: folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 9h 7c] [Th]
Tony260491 is sitting out
Tony260491 leaves the table
Jensesc: bets $0.72 and is all-in
light65536: calls $0.72
*** RIVER *** [Kh 9h 7c Th] 5♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jensesc: shows [Js Qd] (a straight, Nine to King)
light65536: mucks hand
biex joins the table at seat #5
Jensesc collected $2.04 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.14 | Rake $0.10
Board [Kh 9h 7c Th 5s]
Seat 1: Jensesc (small blind) showed [Js Qd] and won ($2.04) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: ShutUpNdeal4 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: LARSc10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Tony260491 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: hossemikko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: light65536 mucked [Kd Ks]
Seat 8: ditzichick folded on the Flop
Seat 9: kazzaz1337 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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I notice a common trend is when I'm betting i have the best hand but by the time I put so much into the pot to protect my big hand I feel like it'd be a loss not to call thus when someone does hit lucky they get payed off big time by time. SOO I thought okay I'll not call unless I have the nuts an all-in bet and as soon as I do that this guy bluffs me on the river and shows me he had nothing.
 
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shinedown.45

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Playing .01/.02 NL I went from a +10 winner on over 2k hands to a -8 loser (18 lost from my peak equity high). I went from consistent winner to a consistent loser thus I've quit playing for money for now. Closing out my account for now but might return later. My style worked really well which I varied between semi-loose-aggressive and very-tight selective aggressive. Two player types took most of my money: super aggressive players--defined by players who bet more then 5x the BB and quite often and money bulls (players who go all in when they hit a sure thing). Maybe I went on tilt or just got burned out from playing too much. I was hoping to build a bankroll but i was wasting lot of time on it anyway. The super aggressive players basically obviously don't belong in micros because they will bet $1 or $2 on a pair only and most rounds. Of course, you say well just be very tight and pick them off but that is assuming you get a perfect flop or else you have to call an all-in bet hoping the SA doesnt' have anything.

Here are just a few of the ways I lost-- lost pots and my money. Any insightful analysis is useful on whether I played these hands right or wrong. I made a lot of bad plays too but this is just a selection of ways I lost.

POKERSTARS GAME #16231565604: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/25 - 00:20:52 (ET)
Table 'Kolga IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Quikone007 ($4.88 in chips)
Seat 2: luckylma ($1.63 in chips)
Seat 3: patetsonia ($2 in chips)
Seat 4: CaffeAddict ($3.12 in chips)
Seat 5: 546545 ($3.15 in chips)
Seat 6: cjsqhtks ($3.72 in chips)
Seat 7: Trimmann ($1.61 in chips)
Seat 8: light65536 ($1.28 in chips)
Seat 9: igorhaick ($1.85 in chips)
luckylma: posts small blind $0.01
patetsonia: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Tc Th]
CaffeAddict: calls $0.02
546545: folds
cjsqhtks: folds
Trimmann: folds
light65536: calls $0.02(I personally would have bet 3xBB just to thin the field a bit, I doubt it would have really mattered though, players at this level find it hard to let go of anything connected or suited, so the bet is mainly to sweeten the pot for when you hit the board)
igorhaick: calls $0.02
Quikone007: calls $0.02
luckylma: folds
patetsonia: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 2h 6s]
patetsonia: checks
CaffeAddict: bets $0.10
light65536: raises $0.10 to $0.20(this raise was fine considering you had an overpair to the board)
igorhaick: raises $0.10 to $0.30
Quikone007: calls $0.30
patetsonia: folds
CaffeAddict: folds
light65536: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [4h 2h 6s] 8♦
light65536: bets $0.96 and is all-in
igorhaick: raises $0.57 to $1.53 and is all-in
Quikone007: calls $1.53
*** RIVER *** [4h 2h 6s 8d] 7♣
*** SHOW DOWN ***
igorhaick: shows [6h 8h] (two pair, Eights and Sixes)(Like I had said earlier, these players put too much confidence in suited cards and get lucky)
Quikone007: mucks hand
igorhaick collected $1.04 from side pot
light65536: mucks hand
igorhaick collected $3.84 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.13 Main pot $3.84. Side pot $1.04. | Rake $0.25
Board [4h 2h 6s 8d 7c]
Seat 1: Quikone007 (button) mucked [Kh Ks]
Seat 2: luckylma (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: patetsonia (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: CaffeAddict folded on the Flop
Seat 5: 546545 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: cjsqhtks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Trimmann folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: light65536 mucked [Tc Th]
Seat 9: igorhaick showed [6h 8h] and won ($4.88) with two pair, Eights and Sixes
^^^Aside from not raising preflop, you played above hand fine, just got unlucky.

I thought he might be on J-10, A-K, or a flush draw. J-10 was right. I was 50/50 J-10 but I thought he might be on AK too. Typical "money bull" play.

POKERSTARS GAME #16302553521: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/27 - 23:36:26 (ET)
Table 'Halley' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: AidaGoli ($2.80 in chips)
Seat 3: J_-420-_06 ($0.82 in chips)
Seat 4: drgnbttrfly ($3.31 in chips)
Seat 5: muff5000 ($7.25 in chips)
Seat 6: OakCliff Ham ($1.09 in chips)
Seat 7: labattblue39 ($5.49 in chips)
Seat 8: Quikone007 ($6.72 in chips)
Seat 9: light65536 ($2 in chips)
Quikone007: posts small blind $0.01
light65536: posts big blind $0.02
winehouse: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [As Kc]
AidaGoli: raises $0.02 to $0.04
J_-420-_06: calls $0.04
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.04
muff5000: calls $0.04
OakCliff Ham: folds
labattblue39: calls $0.04
Quikone007: folds
light65536: raises $0.06 to $0.10(IMO, you overvalue AK and a small bet here would have been better, maybe 3xBB)
AidaGoli: calls $0.06
J_-420-_06: folds
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.06
muff5000: calls $0.06
labattblue39: calls $0.06
*** FLOP *** [9c 4c Ks]
light65536: bets $0.12(Too small of a bet, your giving proper odds to chase the flush, not that these players understand odds much, so up it to maybe $0.30)
AidaGoli: calls $0.12
drgnbttrfly: calls $0.12
muff5000: calls $0.12
labattblue39: calls $0.12
*** TURN *** [9c 4c Ks] Q♦
light65536: bets $0.20
AidaGoli: raises $2.38 to $2.58 and is all-in(this overbet screams, "Call me I hit")
drgnbttrfly: folds
muff5000: folds
labattblue39: folds
light65536: calls $1.58 and is all-in(Did you not think it over before you called this or was this an insta-call?)
*** RIVER *** [9c 4c Ks Qd] Q♥
*** SHOW DOWN ***
light65536: shows [As Kc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
AidaGoli: shows [Js Ts] (a straight, Nine to King)
AidaGoli collected $4.51 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.71 | Rake $0.20
Board [9c 4c Ks Qd Qh]
Seat 1: AidaGoli showed [Js Ts] and won ($4.51) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 3: J_-420-_06 folded before Flop
Seat 4: drgnbttrfly folded on the Turn
Seat 5: muff5000 folded on the Turn
Seat 6: OakCliff Ham folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: labattblue39 (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Quikone007 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: light65536 (big blind) showed [As Kc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens

I knew this guy didn't have an ACE because he was playing so many hands. I couldn't protect my hand even with the help on the turn and I couldn't put the guy on a hand because I knew he wasn't likely to have AK. Another money-bull play.

POKERSTARS GAME #16275229688: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/26 - 20:44:20 (ET)
Table 'Evita III' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: --Ohptello-- ($6.02 in chips)
Seat 2: light65536 ($1.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Teksas_Jack ($4.94 in chips)
Seat 4: TheHashashin ($4.42 in chips)
Seat 5: Black Delta ($5.03 in chips)
--Ohptello--: posts small blind $0.01
light65536: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Th Ac]
Teksas_Jack: calls $0.02
TheHashashin: folds
Black Delta: calls $0.02
--Ohptello--: folds
light65536: raises $0.02 to $0.04(min raise is no good)
Teksas_Jack: calls $0.02
Black Delta: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Kh Ad 8d]
light65536: bets $0.10
Teksas_Jack: folds
Black Delta: calls $0.10
*** TURN *** [Kh Ad 8d] [Tc]
light65536: bets $0.20
Black Delta: calls $0.20
*** RIVER *** [Kh Ad 8d Tc] 8♠
light65536: bets $0.30
Black Delta: raises $1.70 to $2
light65536: calls $0.86 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Black Delta: shows [6h 8h] (three of a kind, Eights)
light65536: mucks hand
Black Delta collected $2.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.05 | Rake $0.15
Board [Kh Ad 8d Tc 8s]
Seat 1: --Ohptello-- (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: light65536 (big blind) mucked [Th Ac]
Seat 3: Teksas_Jack folded on the Flop
Seat 4: TheHashashin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Black Delta (button) showed [6h 8h] and won ($2.90) with three of a kind, Eights
^^^looks as if you were not going to get him off his pair, so again just write it offf under "Donkey beats"

A super aggressive player.. trying to stop. No luck.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Jh Ah]
light65536: calls $0.01
Parhammer has returned
jacobdubbel: raises $8.87 to $8.89 and is all-in
light65536: calls $3.58 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7d Td 5d]
*** TURN *** [7d Td 5d] Q♠
*** RIVER *** [7d Td 5d Qs] 6♦
*** SHOW DOWN ***
jacobdubbel: shows [3c Qh] (a pair of Queens)
light65536: mucks hand
jacobdubbel collected $6.85 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.20 | Rake $0.35
Board [7d Td 5d Qs 6d]
Seat 5: jacobdubbel (big blind) showed [3c Qh] and won ($6.85) with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: light65536 (button) (small blind) mucked [Jh Ah]

Perfect flop gone wrong...

POKERSTARS GAME #16113918449: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/20 - 11:06:06 (ET)
Table 'Kajam V' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Jensesc ($1.01 in chips)
Seat 2: ShutUpNdeal4 ($1.06 in chips)
Seat 4: LARSc10 ($2.42 in chips)
Seat 5: Tony260491 ($2.22 in chips)
Seat 6: hossemikko ($2.49 in chips)
Seat 7: light65536 ($2.30 in chips)
Seat 8: ditzichick ($1.17 in chips)
Seat 9: kazzaz1337 ($0.99 in chips)
Jensesc: posts small blind $0.01
ShutUpNdeal4: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [Kd Ks]
LARSc10: folds
Tony260491: calls $0.02
hossemikko: folds
light65536: raises $0.02 to $0.04( Way too weak of a bet, 4-5xBB is required here, but considering the low level 6-8xBB would be good)
ditzichick: calls $0.04
kazzaz1337: folds
Jensesc: calls $0.03
ShutUpNdeal4: calls $0.02
Tony260491: calls $0.02
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9h 7c]
Jensesc: checks
ShutUpNdeal4: checks
Tony260491: checks
light65536: bets $0.25(Push allin here, your almost guaranteed $ here as most chasers will call this bet on any draw at the .01/.02 level)
ditzichick: folds
Jensesc: calls $0.25
ShutUpNdeal4: folds
Tony260491: folds
*** TURN *** [Kh 9h 7c] [Th]
Tony260491 is sitting out
Tony260491 leaves the table
Jensesc: bets $0.72 and is all-in
light65536: calls $0.72
*** RIVER *** [Kh 9h 7c Th] 5♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jensesc: shows [Js Qd] (a straight, Nine to King)
light65536: mucks hand
biex joins the table at seat #5
Jensesc collected $2.04 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.14 | Rake $0.10
Board [Kh 9h 7c Th 5s]
Seat 1: Jensesc (small blind) showed [Js Qd] and won ($2.04) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: ShutUpNdeal4 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: LARSc10 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Tony260491 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: hossemikko folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: light65536 mucked [Kd Ks]
Seat 8: ditzichick folded on the Flop
Seat 9: kazzaz1337 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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I notice a common trend is when I'm betting i have the best hand but by the time I put so much into the pot to protect my big hand I feel like it'd be a loss not to call thus when someone does hit lucky they get payed off big time by time. SOO I thought okay I'll not call unless I have the nuts an all-in bet and as soon as I do that this guy bluffs me on the river and shows me he had nothing.
All comments in red and as for the betting size(3xBB), thats how I play these levels.
There is a standard but that really doesn't come into play until I can afford to move up levels or my table starts playing ABC poker.

*May or may not be results oriented*
 
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I agree with most of the points shinedown made, except when he says a minraise is ok because you have an overpair to the board. You should still be raising that I'd probably pop it up to 40 cents or so in that spot.

And for the OP you say

I knew this guy didn't have an ACE because he was playing so many hands.

Just because a guy is playing a lot of hands doesn't mean he doesn't have an ace this time. All of his past hands have to effect on the current hand, even terrible players get dealt a big hand sometimes.

Overall you simply need to learn how to size your bets better, there is tons of threads in this forum about it. You'll learn quickly that minraising will lead to you getting sucked out on a lot and you won't be getting good value from your monsters if you just raise the minimum.
 
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Do you keep stats on yourself and other players?

Granted, there are alot of bad players on the .01/.02 tables, but there are some good players too. I recognized a few of the names you were in hands against and know some of them to be pretty tight. If you have stats on people it's a little easier to know what you are up against.


I'm now playing at a little higher levels, but I built a decent bankroll starting at the .01/.02 tables. My style was semi tight - semi aggressive preflop and very aggressive post flop if I hit.

vp$ip around 18%
prf around 6%
(if you don't know what these numbers mean go download poker tracker)

It's hard to play tight when you see people winning with hands like J7o, but it's the only way that I found to consistently win. Don't start calling someone down with a marginal hand just becuase they are a bad player. Bad players get dealt pocket aces just as often as Phil Ivey does.

Steer clear of the uber-tight players unless you have the nuts. If they raise preflop fold anything but a premium hand.

Try to win your money from the calling stations (vp$ip >50% and low pfr). Don't worry there are plenty of them.

If you have a limited bankroll it can get expensive trying to beat an overaggressive, all-in on every hand player (seems like you got into alot of hands like this). You will win your fair share of hands, but if your bankroll can't afford to take a few bad beats from him then you should just play premiums against this guy.



That's my .01/.02 recipe in a nutshell...it worked for me. $1.50 to $200 and counting...
 
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I've identified 2 problem type players: money bulls and super aggressive. Money bulls are basically looking for sure thing and they go all-in. They aren't very discreet but a lot of times I've hammered with a strong hand and thus haven't been folding when I should have been. Looking over my biggest winners/losers it appears that most of my losses have been when others have gone all-in before me and I called. Another thing I noticed is I started trying to lower my raise amount to build larger pots (sweeten the pot) but this let more limpers in, didnt change my post-flop raise size, and thus both factors together maybe led to more losses. I did an analysis of my biggest winning hands vs biggest losers and found that a lot more people seen the flop in my losing hands.

Here is a super aggressive player that caused me a lot of trouble. This guy made and lost about $6 in about 20 minutes. Was this a good lay down? He was raising every single round by huge amount. I figured even if he has any King then I'm beat. I tried to adapt this player and one hand I had hit a flush or straight and just checked but he realized something was up and just checked. I figure converting to a call station against such a super-aggressive player is about the only weapon but still gives them the option to check on the river.

Looking at this perhaps I should have just folded when he raised to 50 cents or checked to him first and maybe called a single 50 cent raise. Also, I should have just called his initial raise but I was not thinking well when this happened.
POKERSTARS GAME #16114679872: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/20 - 11:56:23 (ET)
Table 'Glauke' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DaSmooth ($2.90 in chips)
Seat 2: zoete38 ($1.73 in chips)
Seat 3: slashie666 ($4.74 in chips)
Seat 4: ffffold ($5.16 in chips)
Seat 5: Crush3r85 ($5.03 in chips)
Seat 6: light65536 ($1.47 in chips)
slashie666: posts small blind $0.01
ffffold: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [As Qh]
Crush3r85: raises $0.10 to $0.12
light65536: raises $0.10 to $0.22
DaSmooth: folds
zoete38: folds
slashie666: folds
ffffold: folds
Crush3r85: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [Kh Kd Jc]
Crush3r85: checks
light65536: bets $0.25
Crush3r85: raises $0.25 to $0.50
light65536: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Kh Kd Jc] [3d]
Crush3r85: bets $1
light65536: folds
Crush3r85 collected $1.42 from pot
Crush3r85: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.47 | Rake $0.05
Board [Kh Kd Jc 3d]
Seat 1: DaSmooth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zoete38 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: slashie666 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ffffold (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Crush3r85 collected ($1.42)
Seat 6: light65536 folded on the Turn
 
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POKERSTARS GAME #16114679872: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/20 - 11:56:23 (ET)
Table 'Glauke' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: DaSmooth ($2.90 in chips)
Seat 2: zoete38 ($1.73 in chips)
Seat 3: slashie666 ($4.74 in chips)
Seat 4: ffffold ($5.16 in chips)
Seat 5: Crush3r85 ($5.03 in chips)
Seat 6: light65536 ($1.47 in chips)
slashie666: posts small blind $0.01
ffffold: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to light65536 [As Qh]
Crush3r85: raises $0.10 to $0.12
light65536: raises $0.10 to $0.22
DaSmooth: folds
zoete38: folds
slashie666: folds
ffffold: folds
Crush3r85: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [Kh Kd Jc]
Crush3r85: checks
light65536: bets $0.25
Crush3r85: raises $0.25 to $0.50 (kind of a weird raise...if he has the set you'd think he slow play it since you are betting into him)
light65536: calls $0.25
*** TURN *** [Kh Kd Jc] 3♦
Crush3r85: bets $1
light65536: folds
Crush3r85 collected $1.42 from pot
Crush3r85: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.47 | Rake $0.05
Board [Kh Kd Jc 3d]
Seat 1: DaSmooth folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zoete38 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: slashie666 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: ffffold (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Crush3r85 collected ($1.42)
Seat 6: light65536 folded on the Turn[/quote]



I don't think he has the set here. More likely he has AJ, QJ, TJ, or maybe an underpair. He could also be playing QT and is on a semi bluff. His check/raise seems like its more of a feeler bet to see where he's at. The set would slow play more often than not with no flush draws on the board.

That said, I think its a good lay down on your part. I might have even laid it down to the check/raise. You have at best 3 Aces and 4 Tens (and maybe 3 Qs) for outs. Definitely not the odds you want when he bets $1 on the turn with only $1.42 in the pot.
 
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It looks as if you are not betting enough to protect your good hands, and you are overvaluing your top pair hands in multiway pots. You say your biggest losses are coming from you calling allins, the AJs Q3 hand is a good example, sure you had the best hand in this spot and got somewhat unlucky, but why risk almost an entire buyin in a 4 cent pot? If you wanted to play the hand you should have brought it in for a raise, dont get cute with these 5nl players, play tight but play aggressively, dont bluff, with the exception of a continuation bet when your heads up on the flop. Eliminate the minraise from your game completely unless you have a lock hand and think that its the only sized raise your opponent will call.
 
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Rich, exactly my thoughts. My plan with the min-raise was to build these larger pots that I'd then take down on the flop because I wasn't getting many callers before. Unfortunately this left me open to river fishers and stronger made hands or weak flush draws, 3 kinds, etc. This change in my game I think is what made me go from consistent winner too loser. The median number of people who seen the flop on my biggest winning hands was only 1 person and on my biggest losers the median number of people who seen the flop was around 3 people.
 
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It looks as if you are not betting enough to protect your good hands, and you are overvaluing your top pair hands in multiway pots. You say your biggest losses are coming from you calling allins, the AJs Q3 hand is a good example, sure you had the best hand in this spot and got somewhat unlucky, but why risk almost an entire buyin in a 4 cent pot? If you wanted to play the hand you should have brought it in for a raise, dont get cute with these 5nl players, play tight but play aggressively, dont bluff, with the exception of a continuation bet when your heads up on the flop. Eliminate the minraise from your game completely unless you have a lock hand and think that its the only sized raise your opponent will call.
Good advice, not much more to add here :)

Rich, exactly my thoughts. My plan with the min-raise was to build these larger pots that I'd then take down on the flop because I wasn't getting many callers before. Unfortunately this left me open to river fishers and stronger made hands or weak flush draws, 3 kinds, etc. This change in my game I think is what made me go from consistent winner too loser. The median number of people who seen the flop on my biggest winning hands was only 1 person and on my biggest losers the median number of people who seen the flop was around 3 people.
Better to win small pots than lose large ones.
You have found a hole in your game that wasn't there before and that's trying to allow more into the pot when you have good holdings but you have found out that it's just better to play your hands strong, it may not let alot of players in the hand with you but when players do jump in the pot, you'll find it easier in figuring out thier range.
 
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