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TamasAA

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Game #6865436324: Hold'em NL (£0.05/£0.10) - 2008/04/22 - 21:56:45 (UK)
Table "Saragui" Seat 2 is the button.
Seat 1: Tho090131 (£21.43 in chips)
Seat 2: nath0175 (£12.84 in chips)
Seat 3: Shmerds (£7.45 in chips)
Seat 4: ifold (£34.58 in chips)
Seat 5: Ste220885 (£3.92 in chips)
Seat 6: astron84 (£10.17 in chips)
Shmerds: posts small blind £0.05
ifold: posts big blind £0.10
Tho090131: posts big blind £0.10 + posts small blind £0.05
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Tho090131 [Ad As]
Ste220885: calls £0.10
astron84: folds
Tho090131: raises to £0.40
nath0175: calls £0.40
Shmerds: folds
ifold: calls £0.30
Ste220885: calls £0.30
----- FLOP ----- [6h 4h 3s]
ifold: bets £1
Ste220885: raises to £2
Tho090131: raises to £7
nath0175: folds
ifold: raises to £34.18 and is all-in
Ste220885: is all-in £1.52
Tho090131: is all-in £13.98
Returned uncalled bets £13.20 to ifold
----- TURN ----- [6h 4h 3s][4d]
----- RIVER ----- [6h 4h 3s 4d][Qh]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
ifold: shows [5d 7d] (A Straight, Seven high)
Ste220885: shows [6s 3d] (Two Pairs, Sixes and Fours, Queen high)
Tho090131: shows [Ad As] (Two Pairs, Aces and Fours, Queen high)
ifold collected £33.18 from Side pot #1
ifold collected £11.65 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £47.18 Main pot £11.65 Side pot #1 £33.18 | Rake £2.35
Board [6h 4h 3s 4d Qh]
Seat 1: Tho090131 (big blind + small blind) showed [Ad As] and lost with Two Pairs, Aces and Fours, Queen high
Seat 2: nath0175 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Shmerds (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ifold (big blind) showed [5d 7d] and won (£44.83) with A Straight, Seven high
Seat 5: Ste220885 showed [6s 3d] and lost with Two Pairs, Sixes and Fours, Queen high
Seat 6: astron84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


did i do ANYTHING wrong here???

should i have been alarmed from a raise, re-raise then a re-raise to my re-re-raise?????




 
widowmaker89

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Yes you should have, I would have been shocked if you beat either one of them after their bet/raise PF. With this flop and that action AA will really never win. The only thing you could be hoping for is a flush draw but even that would probably not bet or raise. The biggest problem many people make is right here, losing with overpairs.

The all-in call was not a good move, the raise even is a bit questionable. I would either fold(with this flop its hard to imagine what hands they are betting with and you beat except flush draws or overpairs) or call and see if they keep firing. Remember, small hand small pot and 1 pair is a small hand in this situation.
 
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TamasAA

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i suppose but at these limits is it unreasonable to expect other over pairs more often than not...

the person who re-raised the first raiser was a complete lunatic and hadnt shown me any reason to believe she knew what she was doing....

and then after id re-raised...and the boy went all in...he had been bullying the table with his chip stack...

wouldnt he make the same all in with queen? kings? maybe even jacks?


how can i feasibly put them on there cards after i raised it pre flop :S
 
widowmaker89

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I would have guessed a set from one of them and overpairs flush from the other but ifolds play PF wasnt as bad as you think.

he called hoping you had AA and if he hits he stacks you, if he misses he folds. There is a lot to gain from playing these hands, same as small pockets, with a raiser and a couple callers.

Would he be doing this with JJ-KK? maybe, but probably reraises PF if he likes these hands well enough to 4bet all in, especially with 4 people in the pot PF. I would really doubt he does this without a great hand.

Letting go of overpair and TPTK is tough to do but you will see this time and time again if you dont. While he may be making a lot of moves a 4bet all in is probably not one of them.
 
Jillychemung

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No preflop raise from those callers mean good drawing hands, suited connecters, connectors, suited one gappers, one gappers, any PP plus AKo, AQs, KQs. JJ+ & AKs would reraise. On that flop with that action you have to lay AA down.
 
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i guess ill learn from this anyway...

i think i maybe should have just flat called the re-raise and see what happens on the turn or well i guess iFold would have re-raised anyway with the two hearts out there....

i shouldnt have posted the results as i have a feeling id have got a few different answers if i didnt...
 
SavagePenguin

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I'd have folded when ifold went all in.
I'd have assumed that he flopped a set though.
 
widowmaker89

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I dont think you would have gotton a different answer from anyone on this one. But it is always better to hide the results.

I am sorry if I come off as picking on you or being too harsh, everyone does this when they start, but I would say this is the biggest mistakes most new players make.
 
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