AA vs KK with position.

Zorba

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After reading threads all the time about betting hard with KK, (regardless of the result)do you guys think I should have folded after his reraise, I kept on betting because I had position.

Stacks:
* UTG+1 with $9.65
* MP1 with $23.90
* MP2 with $27.05
* MP3 with $13.35
* CO with $13.40
* BTN with $15.10
* SB with $31.65
* BB with $11.30
* UTG with $24.65

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to BTN:K♠ K♥
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * 2 players fold.
* * MP1 calls [$0.25]
* * MP2 raises $0.75 to $1
* * 2 players fold.
* * Hero raises $1.75 to $2.75
* * 3 players fold.
* * MP2 raises $1.75 to $4.50
* * Hero raises $10.60 to $15.10 [ all-in ]
* * MP2 calls [$10.60]
* * Total folds this street: 7
* * Potsize: $30.8
Flop:
* * 8♣ 6♥ 9♦
* * Potsize: $30.8
Turn:
* * 8♠
* * Potsize: $30.8
River:
* * 2♠
Results:
* * MP2 shows two pair, Aces and Eights:
* * A♦ A♥
* * Hero shows two pair, Kings and Eights:
* * K♠ K♥
* * MP2 collected $29.30 from pot

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bw07507

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You played it fine, theres no way you should ever be folding KK preflop when you only have 60 big blinds.
 
zebranky

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don't fold, but...

You played it fine, theres no way you should ever be folding KK preflop when you only have 60 big blinds.

I don't agree. you've got KK in position (great), but that's not necessarily a reason to go for broke preflop. I would have called his re-reraise and seen the flop first. Granted, in this case you're going broke on the flop because it looks so good, but say if an A had flopped, you could get away from the hand without losing so much. By only calling his 2nd raise preflop, you give yourself a good chance of losing less money to people holding an A (or two). If the guy is re-reraising you preflop, you know he has a good hand, and probably won't fold to your 2nd raise anyway. This play is best suited for tournaments (where not losing chips is more important than winning chips), but I think it's still quite valid in ring games.

Incidentally, I don't think its ever right to fold the KK preflop, but it may be necessary to play it more cautiously, rather than trying to get "all the chips in the middle" like you would with AA.
 
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Emperor IX

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Zebranky has a good point. Play some poker mang, not all money has to be made preflop :)

You are going broke though on that flop.
 
WVHillbilly

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Position is meaningless if all the $$ go in preflop.

All-in preflop is fine here. If you use the "see if the flop contains an A" reasoning you'll lose value from QQ/JJ (assuming you're against someone who'll stack with those hands) if either an A or a K hits. You also open yourself up to being bluffed off your kings by an aggressive opponent if an A hits. There are times to slow down with KK but this isn't one of them, imo.
 
Zorba

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Sorry I havent replied sooner, don't know why, but thanks for the advise I'll take it on board.
 
blankoblanco

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I kept on betting because I had position.

this doesn't make sense. position doesn't mean anything if you're all-in preflop. the reason you should keep betting is because you have a huge hand ahead of his range, and it's 25NL so i doubt he's ever folding once he 4bets. you didn't do anything wrong here, it's just a cooler
 
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