AA otb, aggressive villain`

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What line do you want to take here?

I must not have had pokertracker running for this hand as I can't find it so I'll just recreate it.

$25 NL, all involved have roughly $25 in their stack.


Folds around to the button:
Hero (on button): raises to .75 (I have Ad Ah)
SB: Calls
BB: Calls

Pot $2.25

Flop: 2c 9d 9s

SB: checks
BB: checks
Hero: bets $1.75
SB: folds
BB: raises to $3.50
Hero: ?



What's the line here? There are obviously not any draws, and the villain is very aggressive with any sort of hand. I can easily believe that this particular villain could have a random nine... this person doesn't like to fold blind hands. Villain would also call with any pair. Villain bets very very aggressively with any sort of hand (can't wait to stack off with TPGK for example) so on this flop I'm probably either looking at a random 9 or a pp and I don't think I'm going to be able to tell the difference till a showdown. I do not think villain has overcards like AJ-AK. Mainly because he usually would reraise them preflop and because he seems to require a pair or better to bet post flop.

I know this villain well, if I continue in this hand I'm going to have to all in with it. Am I over thinking this or should I wait on a better spot? A 9 is the most likely hand but this villain would play TT or JJ and possibly even 77/88 this way.


Because of all the hands I am ahead of I obviously can't fold this, but what line would you take and how do you respond to what will almost definitely be a pot bet or raise on the turn regardless of the card?
 
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I dont know exactly how crazy this guy is but my intiail reaction I would probablly raise it to $8.50. If he pushes then you gotta fold, if he calls then you must play very very tight from then on, and if he folds then you win, which in this case is what your hoping for.

Typical WA/WB hand. With a player like that you cant really tell where you stand.
 
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Will he fire on both the turn and river without the 9 if we just call here?
 
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I dont know exactly how crazy this guy is but my intiail reaction I would probablly raise it to $8.50. If he pushes then you gotta fold, if he calls then you must play very very tight from then on, and if he folds then you win, which in this case is what your hoping for.

Typical WA/WB hand. With a player like that you cant really tell where you stand.

If you think is a WA/WB then why raise ? Surely we want him to continue playing an inferior hand if he has it, and we dont want to swell the pot against trips. What if we raise to $8.50 and villian flats ? This leaves us open to all sorts of funky turn action. Really we are folding out the hands we want to continue to bet and only the 9 plays then.

Call, re-evaluate turn and C/C unimproved.
 
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I think the issue is how light he will stack here. We're obv not folding here, and the issue is whether or not to get it in now, get it in on a later street, or play it wa/wb and call down (NOT raise, xCashin).

I think considering a lot of his range will be bluffs (which will likely fold to 3-bets) and the fact that there's like no chance of him outdrawing us, I'm usually calling this and letting him bluff it down. If he slows down on a street I'll put in the action.

There are problems both with getting it in on the flop (he might not call/reraise a 3-bet without a nine or better), and with slowplaying (he might have stacked flop with 88 or something, but might not if a king/whatever drops on the turn). It all comes down to how wide of a range he'll stack with on the flop imo.
 
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If he'll fire regardless this is a very tough spot. I'd call the flop raise but if he pots the turn we can't call without committing ourselves to call again on the river regardless. I think this is one of those spots where we should be willing to get all-in if our opponent does all the betting.
 
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He's way more likely to have a random pocket pair/2x/bluff than a nine, it's an easy call down against a lag if we choose that line.
 
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I think the issue is how light he will stack here. We're obv not folding here, and the issue is whether or not to get it in now, get it in on a later street, or play it wa/wb and call down (NOT raise, xCashin).

I think considering a lot of his range will be bluffs (which will likely fold to 3-bets) and the fact that there's like no chance of him outdrawing us, I'm usually calling this and letting him bluff it down. If he slows down on a street I'll put in the action.

There are problems both with getting it in on the flop (he might not call/reraise a 3-bet without a nine or better), and with slowplaying (he might have stacked flop with 88 or something, but might not if a king/whatever drops on the turn). It all comes down to how wide of a range he'll stack with on the flop imo.

I agree except I think the likelihood he's bluffing with nothing is almost zero. However he vastly overvalues lots of hands and like was said earlier I expect him to at least have a pp.
 
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Anyway..I got stacked on this one but I'm not too upset (with how I played it anyway..result sucked).

I decided to call down because of all the above reasons.

so I called the flop.

Turn: Ks

Which didn't slow him down at all, he pot bets it, I called.

River: Td

He went all in and I called it. He had TT and hit tens full on the river.

So I think I made the right decisions against this guy he just hit a miracle river
 
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Tough beat but calling down was definitely the right play here. You really think he makes the same bet on the river without the T hitting the board though? It takes a special player to bet middle pair into a paired board when he's been called twice before.
 
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Tough beat but calling down was definitely the right play here. You really think he makes the same bet on the river without the T hitting the board though? It takes a special player to bet middle pair into a paired board when he's been called twice before.

Yeah, seen enough of his play to think so.

And what I posted in my OP was what I was having to decide. I knew this guy well enough to know that if I kept going he was probably going to force it all into the middle.
 
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Do you think he would have folded if you would have reraised on the flop? Maybe not with that bored but idk...
 
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Do you think he would have folded if you would have reraised on the flop? Maybe not with that bored but idk...

lol, no but if hero had waited an extra 0.003461002 seconds before acting preflop, the river card wouldnt have been a ten so it would all have been ok
 
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Might not be bad to minraise in this spot, he'll likely slow down if he doesn't have a 9 and you might get a cheaper showdown or rarely a fold if he interprets it as a pot building move. This requires of course that you might have been playing a 9, which if he's only seen you raise with big cards pf he might not buy. But it often might lead to a check on the turn, you can put out a defensive bet that looks like you're trying to build the pot for an all in on the river and check behind on the river if all goes well.
 
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Do you think he would have folded if you would have reraised on the flop? Maybe not with that bored but idk...

Why does that matter?

lol, no but if hero had waited an extra 0.003461002 seconds before acting preflop, the river card wouldnt have been a ten so it would all have been ok

Because if you rereaised on the flop and he folds then you win money instead of losing a buy-in....

are you actually saying these words?

Guys hold on a sec. There is no need for this sort of messing. If someone feels that an incorrect line has been taken, please explain your reasoning.

One line posts in HA is the simple reason i dont post on 2+2. Get a grip.

I could have quoted some posts in here with "QFT" and be up to eleventy billion post by now if i wanted that over there.
 
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Because if you rereaised on the flop and he folds then you win money instead of losing a buy-in....

You are completely missing the point cashin.

It doesn't matter that I lost money on this one hand. I decided from past actions that most of the time here I'm ahead and that this villain is going to keep betting away with whatever he has. I was right on both counts.

If he had flipped his cards over when he bet on the turn are you going to do anything but call him? are you going to even contemplate raising? No you aren't. Not a chance in hell!

He hit a miracle river. So what. Yeah it really really sucks but if my opponents always have to get insanely lucky to take money from I'm doing something right. I'll let this guy and anyone like him bet away with his tens until he has nothing left to bet with cause if we both sit down and play these same starting hands the same way enough times that's what is going to happen.

Don't be results oriented. If you made the right decisions you played it well if you didn't then you played it poorly. Winning or losing a single hand is completely irrelevlant to if you played it well. Pushing him out of the hand by raising would have been a massive mistake on our part and the fact he sucked out on a 2 outter doesn't change that fact.
 
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Might not be bad to minraise in this spot, he'll likely slow down if he doesn't have a 9 and you might get a cheaper showdown or rarely a fold if he interprets it as a pot building move. This requires of course that you might have been playing a 9, which if he's only seen you raise with big cards pf he might not buy. But it often might lead to a check on the turn, you can put out a defensive bet that looks like you're trying to build the pot for an all in on the river and check behind on the river if all goes well.

I think this particular guy had two modes of thinking: 1) I have a good hand, let's put as much money in the pot as we can! and 2) I have a bad hand, I better fold. Two pair, any two pair, regardless of the board or the action, is not just a good hand but a great hand! I expect he would play his TT the same way he would have played say quad nines. Which basically means I'm ahead way more than I'm not but it's also impossible to tell the difference and impossible to do anything but get all the money in the middle here.

I don't think "interpreting it as a pot building bet" is something this villain doesn't think about or even knows what it means.
 
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