aa in ep vs SB on innocuous board 50max

joosebuck

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villian is a good tag~ish type of player. also tricky. could possibly check raise me with air.

pokerstars Game #9481845991: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/04/18 - 05:13:20 (ET)
Table 'Caph V' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: link0b18c ($49.40 in chips)
Seat 2: gabesaid ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 3: kany2k7 ($28.35 in chips)
Seat 4: hott_estelle ($100.75 in chips)
Seat 5: EZsMustang ($58.95 in chips)
Seat 6: kg_bettor ($46.90 in chips)
Seat 7: virus07 ($4.85 in chips)
Seat 8: joosebucklol ($67.20 in chips)
Seat 9: henkepocke ($50.50 in chips)
hott_estelle: posts small blind $0.25
EZsMustang: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joosebucklol [Ah Ad]
kg_bettor: folds
virus07: calls $0.50
joosebucklol: raises $1.50 to $2
henkepocke: folds
link0b18c: folds
gabesaid: folds
kany2k7: folds
hott_estelle: folds
EZsMustang: calls $1.50
virus07: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 7c 2c]
EZsMustang: checks
joosebucklol: bets $2.50
EZsMustang: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [6s 7c 2c] [2h]
EZsMustang: checks
joosebucklol: bets $6
EZsMustang: raises $10 to $16
joosebucklol: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [6s 7c 2c 2h] [Ts]
EZsMustang: bets $38.45 and is all-in
joosebucklol:
 
calibanboy

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A classic hand.

Overpair ( however high ) is vulnerable to Sets in late position.

Tough call. My stats show that pair and overpairs show a very small profit overall. EG very marginal

Its two pair and above that wins the money.

Hard to fold but maybe wise.
 
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villian is a good tag~ish type of player. also tricky. could possibly check raise me with air.

PokerStars Game #9481845991: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/04/18 - 05:13:20 (ET)
Table 'Caph V' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: link0b18c ($49.40 in chips)
Seat 2: gabesaid ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 3: kany2k7 ($28.35 in chips)
Seat 4: hott_estelle ($100.75 in chips) (keen observer to this hand)
Seat 5: EZsMustang ($58.95 in chips)
Seat 6: kg_bettor ($46.90 in chips)
Seat 7: virus07 ($4.85 in chips)
Seat 8: joosebucklol ($67.20 in chips)
Seat 9: henkepocke ($50.50 in chips)
hott_estelle: posts small blind $0.25
EZsMustang: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joosebucklol [Ah Ad]
kg_bettor: folds
virus07: calls $0.50
joosebucklol: raises $1.50 to $2
henkepocke: folds
link0b18c: folds
gabesaid: folds
kany2k7: folds
hott_estelle: folds (I also had AA, folded it because Joose and I were colluding, so AA for Ezsmustang is out of the question, unless of course this is a rigged deck and there are 6 Aces in play) (just in case people take me seriously, for those of you who don't know me by now, I'm kidding of course)
EZsMustang: calls $1.50
virus07: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 7c 2c]
EZsMustang: checks
joosebucklol: bets $2.50
EZsMustang: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [6s 7c 2c] 2♥
EZsMustang: checks
joosebucklol: bets $6
EZsMustang: raises $10 to $16
joosebucklol: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [6s 7c 2c 2h] [Ts]
EZsMustang: bets $38.45 and is all-in
joosebucklol:


Now about the actual hand, can't exactly comment because I saw the results. From couple hands I played with villain, he does seem a bit unconventional, but in an intelligent manner.
 
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Betting big on the turn/river and calling big bets are for one thing and one thing only BIG HANDS. You dont have a big hand, without specific reads this is a standard fold. This has taken me a while to learn, but its a pretty standard fold.
 
joosebuck

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how so? villian so far has shown unabridged aggression with less than near nuts. his range includes sets, spiteful 2 pairs, and pocket pairs weaker than ours. im willing to bet that if you throw 33+ (yes, i think villian possibly does that with this little on such a mild board) and 67, we are ahead. even if we tighten it to 66/77/TT+ i think we are ahead.
 
ChuckTs

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Could very easily be a set, but I don't doubt the following range is that far off (in which case it's an ez call)

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.000% 78.00% 01.00% 39 0.50 { AhAs }
Hand 1: 21.000% 20.00% 01.00% 10 0.50 { 66+, 22, 76s, 76o }
 
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I have seen loads of people losing their stack by clinging onto AA as an overpair, even on a paired board.

OK - so you have to win more than 33% of the time for this call to be profitable in the long run.

It probably will be profitable at this cash game level where people will also keep bettting and betting with an over pair, eg jj, qq, KK not understanding that this is a prettyweak holding. Not too sure at higher cash levels though.

If this guy knows you are a decent player and that you will only raise with a decent hand then he could quite easily call with low cards in the small blind for less than 5% of his stack. he knows exactly where he is can fold easily if no hits. Beware that 2.
 
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8c9c.....possibly

Along with the ranges posted above, this could be a possible holding. The turn check/raise could have been a semi-bluff with a heavy drawing hand.
 
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8c9c.....possibly

Along with the ranges posted above, this could be a possible holding. The turn check/raise could have been a semi-bluff with a heavy drawing hand.

This is possible.

My pointis I am not worried about putting the best hand down. I want to be all in when I know I am in front. If he outmaneuvres me fine, Its in my notes.
 
ChuckTs

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8c9c.....possibly

Along with the ranges posted above, this could be a possible holding. The turn check/raise could have been a semi-bluff with a heavy drawing hand.

Generally a OESFD will try to either lead-push to a raise or ch-r on the flop, though it's definitely a possibility.
 
blankoblanco

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He could play 66 or 77 this way, although he could also very likely check-raise the turn with the draws out, especially if he knows that you'll raise with more than just big cards, cause it makes the straight draws scary too. It's hard for him to put you on an overpair just based on pre-flop raise and c-bet, then another bet when he checks to you. And your just call of his raise is almost certainly some degree of weakness on this board, unless you made a set, but that's got to be significantly unlikely in his eyes. On this board, he could really be playing back at you because it seems unlikely to have hit you, and the club draw didn't hit. Even if he has a legit hand, maybe he has an overpair of his own that he chose not to re-raise with pre-flop... JJ-KK all of which you beat.

And 2:1 pot odds... given the read we have on him and the texture of the board, I think he can be bluffing enough that a call may be profitable. I never say this but...

CALL, HE'S BLUFFING
 
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blankoblanco

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yo man, results please?
 
blankoblanco

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Even if he has a legit hand, maybe he has an overpair of his own that he chose not to re-raise with pre-flop... JJ-KK all of which you beat.

*fistpump*

sry, im a braggart :eek:

Nh
 
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i woulda pushed him a bit more one the flop to try and trigger him there with aces no shame in loosing with aces some times but it does sux nh though joose
 
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