50NL Overpair OOP

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phatjose

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Stacks:
* UTG+1 with $8.75
* MP1 with $50.50
* MP2 with $50.55
* CO with $50.25
* BTN with $141.65
* SB with $52.20
* BB with $49.25
* UTG with $95.30

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to UTG:Q♠ Q♣
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * Hero raises $1.25 to $1.75
* * 1 players fold.
* * MP1 raises $4.25 to $6
* * 5 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$4.25]
* * Total folds this street: 6
* * Potsize: $12.75
Flop:
* * 8♣ 4♠ 9♦
* * Hero: checks
* * MP1 bets [$8]
* * Hero calls [$8]
* * Potsize: $28.75
Turn:
* * J♣
* * Hero: checks
* * MP1 bets [$18]

Villain is 16/14/infinite over 144 hands. No real history with him before this. Pretty much figure I played this horribly on every street. Is this AK often enough to continue with the hand?
 
SavagePenguin

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I don't see him three-betting you with a smaller pair or A/Q. That means he probably doesn't have a set.

A/A and K/K are what we're fearing at this point.

The big problem is that you checked the flop. That sorta tells him "My A/K missed" and with aggression factor like that he's going to raise that apparent weakness.
Had you opened, you'd have a lot better info on the strength of your hand. Even doing a check/raise on the flop would have made our decision easier.

I'd normally just fold and scold myself, and lick my wounds, but his stats... 15/14/infinite? When he plays he plays hand. There's a good chance you're best here. But by the time this had is over he'll be stacking and you'll have a hard decision to make.

If I were in your shoes I'd fold unless I specifically saw him be this aggressive on every street in earlier hands.
 
Richyl2008

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I think I would probably lead out on the flop about a potsized bet to see if hes really interested in continuing with the hand. A decent size checkraise on the flop here would commit over half of your stack and at that point I think you would have to play for stacks if he reraises you allin. If a decent tag 3bets you preflop with AK or AQ here and whiffs the flop he's going to be betting almost every time if you check. If you lead out for a potsized bet he's mostly going to through away these hands rather than play a game of chicken against you or try to draw to overcards for a high price. If they raise your flopbet you can generally assume they have a pretty good hand because they're going to be committing themselves.
 
blankoblanco

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The big problem is that you checked the flop. That sorta tells him "My A/K missed"

no it isn't and no it doesn't. villain's the one who 3bet preflop and OP just called underrepresenting his hand/trying not to push out the hands he crushes. it's completely natural and standard to check to the last aggressor, regardless of holding. in fact i'd need a specifically good reason to lead flop

a flop checkraise all-in/enough to commit yourself is good if you think he'll go broke with JJ/TT. if not, you can probably c/c and then c/f this card because i don't think he's double barreling AK often here and one of the main hands you might've been beating, JJ, just overtook you
 
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Your question, "Is this AK often enough to continue with this hand?"

I don't understand the 16/14/infinite? I'm assuming preflop, postflop, and raise/aggression? Over 144 hands. Even if I'm off a bit, your saying the history you show has villain TAG.

Given the line so far I am leaning towards AK. Villain is a good player if he has the control not to push harder with his AA/KK. The vast majority of AA/KK holders that reraise to $6 preflop will not be able to only bet $8 on that flop. And then they definitely won't be able to bet only $18, when the J hits on the turn. Most would be pushing the turn, worried that you had to have a piece of the flop to call the $8 and now a J hit, allowing a straight and flush draw.

To me this is more a bad AK, firing a c-bet, and now deciding to fire a second shot because you have showed weakness all along. Villain figures if you had a set or an overpair you would have bet or check raised by now.
 
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a flop checkraise all-in/enough to commit yourself is good if you think he'll go broke with JJ/TT. if not, you can probably c/c and then c/f this card because i don't think he's double barreling AK often here and one of the main hands you might've been beating, JJ, just overtook you

What he said; really nothing to add.
 
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