50nl; big blind special with minraising fun

ChuckTs

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Villain is pretty much unknown to me - 6 hands and nothing worth remembering.

Does AA/KK really play this badly? Does he limp utg with anything containing another deuce? Does he play QQ this fast? Am I just overthinking this and should snapshovefistpump?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed)

CO ($51.35)
Button ($29)
SB ($26.90)
Hero ($57.90)
UTG ($52.55)
UTG+1 ($51.40)
MP1 ($25)
MP2 ($35.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2
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UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2) Q
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SB checks, Hero bets $1.4, UTG instaraises to $2.8, MP1 folds, SB folds, Hero raises to $8, UTG raises to $13.2, Hero ...
 
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I think the only hand you're worried about is A2s. Most likely a KQ or AQ. I like to give him a false sense of security and call. Ck/call turn and push river. Hard to get away from if you're coolered vs A2, but who plays that UTG?? Who limps QQ UTG?? I think you're ahead 99% of the time here.
 
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When you have a good hand, hit the "Raise" button.

:rolleyes:

He obviously doesn't want to believe you. Maybe minraising is his method to string you along, hoping you'll keep going against his A2 ...

Or he's an idiot. QQ UTG, I dunno. Gotta be some kind of 2.


I'd call, try again on the turn.
 
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Evaluating in a vacuum, UTG has limped UTG and minraised twice. He's either a pretty weak player or is doing a good impression of one. Something like AQ-KQ/QQ+/A2 with a really small but notable possibility of a completely stupid 'bluff' fits a weak player here (weak players love limping in EP with big hands even against unknowns, weak players will tend to play Ax regardless of position etc) I guess - snapshovefistpump sounds good.
 
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2 min raises is odd - I reckon he's got AA or KK and is putting you on hitting your Queen. The timing of the bets is significant too, he's not reacting to your bet if he instaraises, he's decided from the outset he's playing the hand like a winner.

You've got a customer, i'd call now to stop him considering the two 2's on board, and laugh hysterically when he hits his two outer for the Full house. I'd lead off again on the turn and see what he does - obv call all-in as I would have made my mind up to play the hand to the end there and then.

I think QQ Q2, K2 and A2 would play a little bit cuter (i know I would) as there are no draws on board.
 
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I agree with the all in bet voters. When he shows J2 of spades you can both laugh about the rake you gave up.
 
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shove and do fist pump, AQ is most likely, maybe he limp with A2 but doubt it
 
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2 min raises is odd - I reckon he's got AA or KK and is putting you on hitting your Queen. The timing of the bets is significant too, he's not reacting to your bet if he instaraises, he's decided from the outset he's playing the hand like a winner.

You've got a customer, i'd call now to stop him considering the two 2's on board, and laugh hysterically when he hits his two outer for the Full house. I'd lead off again on the turn and see what he does - obv call all-in as I would have made my mind up to play the hand to the end there and then.

I think QQ Q2, K2 and A2 would play a little bit cuter (i know I would) as there are no draws on board.

I agree with this, especially the part about the quick minraises. It looks like a very terribly played AA/KK.
 
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Yeah, I don't think AQ limps utg pf but KK/AA do sometimes, and the min. reraise reeeeeeks of crappy overpair playing. Obv cant have limped utg with A2 that would just be silly. QQ doesn't min this imo - this player would probs flat call. You're way ahead 96% of the time and he seems so attached to his hand (defo overpair) that a shove won't lose him.
 
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There are people capable of limping under the gun with AA KK UTG in a cash game but seeing how you only have 6 hands of information it really does not even matter. Queens I would believe to be ruled out, if he did limp to setup a play then his post-flop play makes no sense. A2 would be so sick but once again allot of people out there that will play it if its "suited" even UTG but this would be a cooler ohh well. On the last question you are not over thinking it making the right decision is the most crucial part of poker. Insta Shoving is Fine to but me personally I would flat call and see what he does on 4thst I prefer to make plays on 4th. If you shove on the flop you are most likely only going to get called by a hand that beats you.
 
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I think AA/KK does calls a shove most of the time. With all this minbet banter he's v. attached clearly.
 
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2 min raises is odd - I reckon he's got AA or KK and is putting you on hitting your Queen. The timing of the bets is significant too, he's not reacting to your bet if he instaraises, he's decided from the outset he's playing the hand like a winner.


OK I think we've got enough responses now. This was basically what was going through my mind^^^

The instant minraise on the flop really had me giggling and just praying he would tag along for the ride with AA/KK/AQ, but his next minraise had me a little confused, and questioning what the hell he had.

I like the idea of calling and then getting it in on the turn since we may scare him with a shove here, but really does a guy who plays AA/KK/AQ this badly now fold to a shove? Well maybe, but I don't think it's too likely.

Anyways, I shove, he tanks a bit and calls with KK, I hold.
 
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Although its over, i dont understand why you think he can have kk or aa and limped utg, yet you dont think he would have done this with qq. Surely if you believe one you have to believe the other
 
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I never said I didn't think he had QQ.

It's definitely possible, but there are several reasons why it's pretty unlikely, and they all lead to the fact that I should be getting my stack in happily here.

a) in my experience very few people play overfulls this fast, literally and figuratively, b) simply by way of probability it's less likely that he has QQ (two possible combos of QQ, 5 possible combos of KK/AA each), and c) even if they were all equally likely, which they aren't, that would mean I'm ahead two of three times, and behind one of three times which makes it a clear shove assuming I'm getting called by all three hands.
 
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Although its over, i dont understand why you think he can have kk or aa and limped utg, yet you dont think he would have done this with qq. Surely if you believe one you have to believe the other

QQ is a much more vulnerable hand as more than a third of the time an ace or king will flop, so although it is possible it is less likely as you need to raise to protect more.
 
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ok i wasnt having go at the point, i was just generally wondering why people believed this thinking i was missing something.
 
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