50nl; AQ vs possible flush draw

ChuckTs

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For whatever reason, villain isn't showing up in my database (not the first time wtf grrr), but I remember him being pretty aggro.

The turn's got me a little worried - he's bad enough to chase the 2nd nut FD here so he could very well be going for a ch-r all in here. He could also easily be on KQ, but I'd expect him to probably raise the flop or at least lead with TP. A slowplayed flush is also definitely a possibility. He'd be the type to slowplay a monster like that.

Do we bet the turn, knowing that we're committed to call a ch-r all in?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed)

BB ($13.30)
UTG ($40.10)
UTG+1 ($112.80)
Hero ($64.05)
MP2 ($23.35)
CO ($22.85)
Button ($19.50)
SB ($40.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A
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, Q
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.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds, SB calls $2, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.75.

Flop: ($7.25) 4
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, 5
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, Q
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(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5.5, SB calls $5.50, UTG folds.

Turn: ($18.25) K
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...
 
pantin007

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u should probably bet something like 1/2 pot {9.50$} just to see where u are at,if he calls u have to check the river and most likely have to fold on to a reraise or a raise on the river
i honestly think that he might have ace rag with the ace of diamond only because he is just calling all the way
obv u will have to fold to any diamond on river
 
Schatzdog

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Hero checks behind. What was the river?
 
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Check and call any reasonable river bet against a bad player. I dont think betting here leaves much room to manevour, we still have to call a river bet we are just bloating the pot with a good but not great hand.
 
Effexor

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I'm in the "check / call a reasonable bet on the river" camp.
 
ChuckTs

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed)

BB ($13.30)
UTG ($40.10)
UTG+1 ($112.80)
Hero ($64.05)
MP2 ($23.35)
CO ($22.85)
Button ($19.50)
SB ($40.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A
spade.gif
, Q
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.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.25, 3 folds, SB calls $2, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.75.

Flop: ($7.25) 4
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, 5
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, Q
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(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $5.5, SB calls $5.50, UTG folds.

Turn: ($18.25) K
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($18.25) 8
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...
 
skoldpadda

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Ditto tenbob's turn. It's hard to bet for value when you can't really call a CR. If opponent is passive and never CR, then I bet for value maybe half the pot. It's tricky.
 
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The problem with value betting is this. What hands do we get value from here ? 99-JJ, Qx only, IMHO, unless he is a total fish and is willing to call preflop with a 5 or a 4 in his hand and SD it: these hands are actually a pretty small part of his range if we consider the very wet nature of the board and the preflop action (SB has semi-good odds for SC if UTG limp/calls). 8 on river also completes 67.

Betting for value here is very thin, especially against such an aggro guy: we cannot call a raise here with second pair. It sucks, but I check behind and take note of what he had for future use.
 
Schatzdog

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I agree with jeffred. You're most probably ahead and villain has given up but what do you do if CR-ed?

Check it down, drag a small pot and note what he had.
 
ChuckTs

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Turn: ($22) K
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($22) 5
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero ...
 
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Way more inclined to bet the 5h than the 8s since he has a 5 about never, while 67 (I doubt he is calling with it unless he has a high diamond). Also, that 8 is more likely to make two pairs for a hand like Q8 that might call preflop while any other hand than Ad5x cannot pop up here (we would have heard from Kd5x on the turn) and J5 is lmho.

We can also fold to a raise more easily on this river since villain is much more unlikely to c/r us than on a straight board.

But I'm still chicken shit and check behind most of the time.
 
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