50max NL Omaha hi-low -- best river bet with strong hand?

skoldpadda

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Stacks: - MisterNT with $36.05 - Hammerx81 with $52.25 - donniemonn with $48.10 - stahr101 with $2.90 - mimmsie with $48.35 - Wilbert with $30.80 - lichaz676 with $33.25 - DAVIDELI with $40.50 - BabyHumvee with $103.45

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Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
Site: pokerstars
* - Dealt to BabyHumvee:
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Preflop:
**- 1 players fold.
* - babyhumvee calls [$0.50]
* - misternt calls [$0.50]
**- 1 players fold.
* - donniemonn calls [$0.50]
* - stahr101 calls [$0.50] mimmsie calls [$0.50]
* - wilbert calls [$0.25]
* - lichaz676: checks
* - Total folds this street: 2
* - Potsize: $3.5
Flop:
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* - Wilbert: checks
* - lichaz676: checks
* - BabyHumvee: checks
* - MisterNT: checks
* - donniemonn: checks
* - stahr101 bets [$2.40] [ all-in ]
**- 2 players fold.
* - lichaz676 calls [$2.40]
* - babyhumvee raises $4.60 to $7
**- 2 players fold.
* - lichaz676 calls [$4.60]
* - Total folds this street: 4
* - Potsize: $19.9
Turn:
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* - lichaz676: checks

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switch0723

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By the way you said river bet in thread title and this is a turn bet. Just to let you know you made a typo in thread.

Anyway, if villain is willing to call then we may aswell push to the max, we know we definately have the high wrapped up since you cant put them on quads otherwise you will never win. I say we bet big making them pay if they are on a flush draw, and make them think if the dont have nuts low.
 
c9h13no3

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Disclaimer: I have no idea how to play split pot games.

I dislike pounding the turn. There's only 1 hand in villan's range that we can fold out (25XX) that has us beat. And if someone with 25, and no draw to the scoop called a raise on the flop, its unlikely that he'll lay his hand down now that he's made his 2nd nut low. And his 5 can be counterfeited on the riv to give us 3/4ths of the pot.

Since we're unlikely to fold out hands like 25, I say we try to keep in hands like [A3XX] that we have crushed.

Therefore, I like leading out for 12$-14$, and then value bet/raise the river unless a 4h-5h comes out.
 
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I dont mean to be disrespectful c9h... but i dont think you do have an idea of how split games work. Since our low is 7 low, that isnt good, therefore we need to bet big, we will get action from a full house that we crush. I dont see us winning the low here as it stands. Therefore i beleive we need to put in a big bet to scare anyone who doesnt have the nuts low but has a fairly good low hand, thus increasing our chances to scoop the pot against the all ins hopefully weak low. There is no harm in betting big since we know we will be getting it back, we just need to ensure we get paid one way or another
 
c9h13no3

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I dont mean to be disrespectful c9h... but i dont think you do have an idea of how split games work.
Disclaimer: I have no idea how to play split pot games.
:)

However, even if I'm wrong, it'll be educational arguing for the wrong end of the argument.

But in this particular instance, I think my line of leading out smaller will have more merit (as opposed to the other O8 thread).

I may just be bad at putting players on hands in split pot games, but I can't see this guy calling a raise with *only* a draw to the low. I figure the range of the villain is as follows (assuming he's not a donkey/bad O8 player).

1) [3XXX] with or without a low hand.
2) [25XX] with a flush draw, or an ace.
3) [24XX] with a flush draw, or an ace.

Hands in category 2 are less likely IMO, since their draws to the high hand are rather weak, and they're drawing to the non-nut low. And even if we pound them, they're probably not folding away since they hit one of their draws, and they've proved they're willing to call with marginal hands.

IMO this could very possibly be a [3XXX] hand. This is the hand we stand to make the most money from, and its also the hand that we can fold away easiest with a strong bet, especially if he doesn't have a low hand.

Sure, we may lose half the pot sometimes by not jamming this for the max on the turn & riv. However, we stand to earn a substantial amount more by keeping hands we have beat around. And there's always the chance we can counterfeit their low (albeit small).

So what's easier to do? Fold out a 2nd nut low hand by making 2 pot sized bets? Or leading on a more fragile high hand for a big scoop with a half pot bet?

Given the behavior of the villain, I think it's gonna be pretty hard to fold out a 2nd nut low now, so why play it like he has a weaker high hand? Is it really that easy to get 2nd nut lows to fold? I don't really know.

Or I could totally be smokin' crack, and be really really wrong.
 
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switch0723

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:)

However, even if I'm wrong, it'll be educational arguing for the wrong end of the argument.

lol, i like that, thats determination :D

I think both our methods will work here, its just up to how you feel when playing really.
 
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I say pot max bet the turn and the river. Its virtually a guarantee he's not winning the hi pot. If he's got the nut low on the turn you want him to pay big to risk splitting which I'm guessing he'd probably do. The only card that can come to mess your hand up is if he has a 3 and another one comes or he already has quads. It may be numerous low cards that could come and mess his low hand up, and if that happens he might not call your bet on the river, especially if its big. Thats why i say get all your money in before a card comes to make him start to discredit the quality of his low hand. In addition, if this card does come to mess his hand up and he still decides to call you want more money in there so you get more if ya'll end up splitting the low pot too
 
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