50max light shove on a good tag

[joosebuck]

or so i think. he takes his whole clock and calls. what im asking you is if you think his call was because he thought i was light 3betting or because he thought he was committed due to potsize?

pokerstars Game #10205847855: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/31 - 20:40:07 (ET)
Table 'Gothard II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: LotharOfThe ($48.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Haystack44 ($47.95 in chips)
Seat 3: ShinobiDawn ($43.95 in chips)
Seat 4: markgolf1 ($30.10 in chips)
Seat 5: uscredoctobe ($46.95 in chips)
Seat 6: dhcrzf ($48.40 in chips)
Seat 8: joosebucklol ($43.80 in chips)
Seat 9: ejk411 ($56.10 in chips)
ejk411: posts small blind $0.25
LotharOfThe: posts big blind $0.50
Gilsenheimer: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joosebucklol [Tc 9c]
Haystack44: folds
ShinobiDawn: folds
markgolf1: folds
uscredoctobe: raises $1.50 to $2
dhcrzf: folds
joosebucklol: calls $2
ejk411: folds
LotharOfThe: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 2s 4h]
uscredoctobe: bets $3
joosebucklol: calls $3
*** TURN *** [5d 2s 4h] [6s]
uscredoctobe: checks
joosebucklol: bets $7
uscredoctobe: raises $14 to $21
joosebucklol: raises $17.80 to $38.80 and is all-in
uscredoctobe: calls $17.80
*** RIVER *** [5d 2s 4h 6s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
uscredoctobe: shows [Kc Ah] (a pair of Fives)
joosebucklol: mucks hand
uscredoctobe collected $85.35 from pot
joosebucklol said, "wow"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $88.35 | Rake $3
Board [5d 2s 4h 6s 5s]
Seat 1: LotharOfThe (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Haystack44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ShinobiDawn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: markgolf1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: uscredoctobe showed [Kc Ah] and won ($85.35) with a pair of Fives
Seat 6: dhcrzf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: joosebucklol (button) mucked [Tc 9c]
Seat 9: ejk411 (small blind) folded before Flop

 

[stormswa]

or so i think. he takes his whole clock and calls. what im asking you is if you think his call was because he thought i was light 3betting or because he thought he was committed due to potsize?

PokerStars Game #10205847855: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/05/31 - 20:40:07 (ET)
Table 'Gothard II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: LotharOfThe ($48.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Haystack44 ($47.95 in chips)
Seat 3: ShinobiDawn ($43.95 in chips)
Seat 4: markgolf1 ($30.10 in chips)
Seat 5: uscredoctobe ($46.95 in chips)
Seat 6: dhcrzf ($48.40 in chips)
Seat 8: joosebucklol ($43.80 in chips)
Seat 9: ejk411 ($56.10 in chips)
ejk411: posts small blind $0.25
LotharOfThe: posts big blind $0.50
Gilsenheimer: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joosebucklol [Tc 9c]
Haystack44: folds
ShinobiDawn: folds
markgolf1: folds
uscredoctobe: raises $1.50 to $2
dhcrzf: folds
joosebucklol: calls $2

I dont like this at all, you are not getting enough good implied odds heads up for this call, if you had 2 calls before this then of course but you dont know how anyone will act behind you. I wouldnt mind though seeing you raise here, his 3 bet preflop could mean alot and dosent have to mean big hand.

ejk411: folds
LotharOfThe: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d 2s 4h]
uscredoctobe: bets $3
joosebucklol: calls $3

ok I dont mind floating on this board at all, this is a pretty safe board to float on.

*** TURN *** [5d 2s 4h] 6♠
uscredoctobe: checks
joosebucklol: bets $7

this is a good bet really good bet, this is a bet that most wont call unless they hit that board.

uscredoctobe: raises $14 to $21

I really dont understand his thinking here with AK at all, what is he representing? but he is putting in 1/2 of his stack already I dont think whatever he has he is folding

joosebucklol: raises $17.80 to $38.80 and is all-in

I wouldnt do this, I would give up thinking he is not folding at this point. I would make a mental note of this and do this same play with the nuts next time.

uscredoctobe: calls $17.80
*** RIVER *** [5d 2s 4h 6s] 5♠
*** SHOW DOWN ***
uscredoctobe: shows [Kc Ah] (a pair of Fives)

most overplayed hand in the game.

joosebucklol: mucks hand
uscredoctobe collected $85.35 from pot
joosebucklol said, "wow"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $88.35 | Rake $3
Board [5d 2s 4h 6s 5s]
Seat 1: LotharOfThe (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Haystack44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ShinobiDawn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: markgolf1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: uscredoctobe showed [Kc Ah] and won ($85.35) with a pair of Fives
Seat 6: dhcrzf folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: joosebucklol (button) mucked [Tc 9c]
Seat 9: ejk411 (small blind) folded before Flop

I quoted so I could remember this, ok Im much stronger at tourney hands but I will apply what I know about tourneys in this cash game. I will post my thoughts in red.

 

[joeeagles]

or so i think. he takes his whole clock and calls. what im asking you is if you think his call was because he thought i was light 3betting or because he thought he was committed due to potsize?

It's hard to say, after your last raise its $17.80 in a $70 pot for him (almost 4.5 to 1). I think with that board he felt there was a chance he's ahead plus 6 outs if you don't have the straight (although you were representing one) plus 4 3's for a straight on the board. But we will never know for sure why, I'm afraid only he can answer that.

I don't mind the call with T9s from the button, actually I like it as long as its done every once in a while and if its done for deception. If that hand wins a showdown, and it could being a hand not likely dominated, it will give you an image that you can profit from later on.

Flop and turn play are fine. I think its fine to attempt taking down that pot with the $7 bet, considering that board. I just wonder if maybe he folds if you bet $10.

I agree with Stormswa though that you should fold to his reraise. It does appear that you won't get him to fold it anymore and its almost impossible you're ahead.

 

[t1riel]

You wasted $38.50 with 10, 9 offsuit with no pairs, straight or flush draws? What made you think you were ahead?

 

[joosebuck]

nothing to do with me being ahead. i put him on a hand that cant call that reraise, and i was right. although i guess he felt pot committed.

Remember, it's not what you have, it's what the other players THINK you have.

 

[ChuckTs]

Your line was fine up until the push IMO joose. He's getting 4:1 or more by my drunk calc's, and anything he's taking this line with he's got to call at that point. If not out of getting proper pot odds, then out of how pot-committed he probably feels. He's not making a ch-r for that much then folding while getting 4:1. Add in the reads of you probably playing LAG, and I can't see him folding.

If you're both sitting on $75 or $100, then it makes it much harder for him to call obv, but with the stack sizes and the pot size on the turn, I think he's got to call.

He really played AK like crap though if you ask me. Even vs a maniacal LAG, I wait for a better hand to get my chips in with.

 

[joosebuck]

no i wasnt playing lag, i was playing kind of nitty because i was 5 tabling.

 

[ChuckTs]

wow, then he really played that like crap. He's a "good tag" in your books?

You can't make this play with AK if your opponent is playing tight. terrible.

 

[joosebuck]

well he hadn't shown down a hand yet, but based on his limited stats he was. hence the "or so i think" in the OP