$50 NLHE 6-max: What about calling a 4 bet JJ and pot jamming a none AK flop?

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PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

Decided to be creative and called a 4 bet with the intention to (pot) jam on a none AK flop. Can this be any good?

BTN: 90.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 9.68, hands: 65)
Hero (SB): 112.8 BB
BB: 94.46 BB
UTG: 451.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 154.66 BB (VPIP: 36.94, PFR: 27.93, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 115)
CO: 110.2 BB (VPIP: 27.66, PFR: 21.28, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 47)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 35.5 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

Flop: (72 BB, 2 players) Q 5 5
Hero bets 68.4 BB

Villain folds, Hero wins 68.4 BB
Rake paid 3.6 BB
 
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JJ better play through allin against bb
 
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JJ better play through allin against bb


??? BB is not involved in hand, i assume you mean BU?

I think the 3-bet is fine, calling the 4-bet is right on the line for me i think it would mostly depend on if i had seen him 4-bet before. I don't like playing for stacks with jacks (like them rhymes?) but in some spots it is okay. Hugely villain dependent.

Villain looks like a Laggy maniac. His 3-bet is only 4 less than his PFR, he also has around 10 bigs off of full stack. Certainly he is very aggressive but even a very loose 4-bet range is basically all coin-flips at best. He would have to have a 4-bet bluff sometimes for us to call, I imagine this guy probably does, but does he have enough to justify calling?

Wishy-washy call at best, I think I fold but i can't fault you for calling against this villain. On the flop, if i had gotten there i would probably jam as well. I think on this board the money is getting in anyways so we might as well try to leverage our fold equity. We get called by AA, KK, QQ, AdKd, and fold out his bluff range and non-diamonds AK. We might be able to push AQ off if he thought he was 4-bet bluffing.
 
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Well I'm never 3betting jacks and then folding them to a 4bet. BTN v BB
Its a massive 4bet though, standard is about 23-25bb here so I'd say he is polarised to AA or something weak. I that case I think I prefer a call pre rather than a 5bet shove so we keep in all his weak hands.
I would be tempted to check and let him bluff here which would pot commit him and crai on the flop. If we are beat it doesn't matter what we do, but when we are in front I want him to bluff it off rather than us shove and fold out worse.
A lot depends on your image and how often you have been 3betting and the game flow.
 
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i think i would bet half pot or 1/3 as continuation to try to get some chips. he never calls you with anything less than Qx there so the push doesn't help you extract chips.
 
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The reason to only call the 4-bet is because you think your opponent will cbet too much. So yeah, calling and then donk leading is terrible.

Against a guy with a 10% 3bet, out of position, I just get it in happily preflop.
 
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