This is a discussion on $5 NLHE 6-max: TPTK Cbets, faces raise BvB within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Hey all,
It's hard to find information about this common spot- I assume I should be 3-betting the raise here, perhaps to around 25+ big blinds.
I think that control of the pot is lost. You can also get a huge bet on the river if you call on the turn. The opponent began to build a large pot as soon as he saw the flop. If T comes on the river, then it will be even more difficult for you. Especially if the opponent is far ahead. The fold is safe to continue playing comfortably.
Pretty dry board, I wouldn't be 3-betting the flop unless I'm against players I know that can stack off w/ worse (fish, whales, etc..). His turn bet sizing is crazy suspicious, but I think a fold is fine.
V defends his BB pretty wide... and isn't a 15% rfcb high? I think anything over 10 is starting to add quite a few bluffs.
His fold to SB open is low, i think around 40%. So wide ranges are at play here.
J8 and QJ are possible, not just suited combos either. V's value should be contained to 9T and 22. Our T blocks many of those combos, so I am feeling good about TPTK here.
I'd flat JJ and QQ since they block his primary bluffs. But V shouldn't be folding a strong draw to a reasonable raise. So why shouldn't we raise this hand here if v is calling to see a turn?
15% does seem high but I haven't looked at this stat much to know. I guess I'd be curious to see all the stats together and know the sample size.
SB vs BB you should be raising wide so him calling wide isn't necessarily that surprising. I have been sizing up to 4 BB opens from the SB for this reason. It's tough to play OOP with a wide range.
I wouldn't be feeling that good about TPTK against QJ. We are flipping a coin there and OOP so we may under realize equity. It kind of seems like a slightly ahead or way behind spot compounded by positional disadvantage. If V could see our hand it would be correct not to fold his QJ to a flop 3B. His 87 and J8 also have about 40% and his 2 pair+ hands have us crushed. We get him to fold his weak bluffs by 3 betting flop and realize our equity but is he bluffing often enough with enough low equityhands to make this profitable vs all the times he has it? I don't think we have enough info to answer that but I suspect the answer is no.
I also like the flop call and the turn fold without more info.
ATo is certainly good enough to open blind vs. blind.
TPTK is easily good enough to C-bet the flop for value. Once we get raised though, our hand turns into a bluff catcher, and the goal is usually to try and get to a cheap showdown. We are to high in our range to fold, but we certainly can not 3-bet either. Only option left is to call, which you did.
One of the most obvious draws came in, and he bet full pot setting it up for an easy river jam. I dont think, we can profitably continue here, so even though it sucks, I agree with the check-fold. If he bluffed us, nice hand to him.