This hand developed nicely into a full house at the river. Not sure where to bet to make the pot bigger somehow before the river. When full house hits at the river, thinking was to re-raise some for possible flash and hoping a face card flash will re-raise some more. But eventually villain was able to just call for possible hero full house. When I saw villain has nut flash, keep thinking should I have just blasted all-in instead? Which is the optimal bet, 2x, 3x or all-in?



888Poker Snap, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
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UTG: $5.04 (101 bb)
MP: $2.02 (40 bb)
CO: $5.33 (107 bb)
BU: $5.10 (102 bb)
SB: $2.97 (59 bb)
BB (Hero): $4.78 (96 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 8♣ 7♥
UTG raises to $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.62) 2♠ 8♥ 9♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.62) 7♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.62) 8♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.38, 2 players fold, Hero raises to $1.14, UTG calls $0.76

Total pot: $2.90 (Rake: $0.17)

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 8♣ 7♥ (a full house, Eights full of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 73%, Turn: 82%, River: 100%)

UTG shows Q♦ A♠ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 18%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins $2.73

You probably should be sizing up more here. The UTG player betting makes it very likely that they have the A or K of spades. All in is probably too large. Ace of spades could potentially fold to that large of a bet given the paired board. King of spades should be folding to an all in. I think 1.50-1.80 is a good sizing against most players. Having reads on players definitely helps in situations like this. You can go larger against players that call off lighter or smaller against tighter players.

I understand your flop check.

I think betting the turn is better than checking, as anyone with a good spade will call.

That will allow you to get more on the river when the 4th spade hits.

Originally Posted by gochillgo

This hand developed nicely into a full house at the river. Not sure where to bet to make the pot bigger somehow before the river. When full house hits at the river, thinking was to re-raise some for possible flash and hoping a face card flash will re-raise some more. But eventually villain was able to just call for possible hero full house. When I saw villain has nut flash, keep thinking should I have just blasted all-in instead? Which is the optimal bet, 2x, 3x or all-in?



888Poker Snap, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
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UTG: $5.04 (101 bb)
MP: $2.02 (40 bb)
CO: $5.33 (107 bb)
BU: $5.10 (102 bb)
SB: $2.97 (59 bb)
BB (Hero): $4.78 (96 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 8♣ 7♥
UTG raises to $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.62) 2♠ 8♥ 9♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.62) 7♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.62) 8♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.38, 2 players fold, Hero raises to $1.14, UTG calls $0.76

Total pot: $2.90 (Rake: $0.17)

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 8♣ 7♥ (a full house, Eights full of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 73%, Turn: 82%, River: 100%)

UTG shows Q♦ A♠ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 18%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins $2.73

First, I am not a great fan of defending these types of combos from the BB vs EP raisor, such as 65, 76, 87, even 98, off suited are not very good, even when we get ridiculous odds (for 2 and 5 NLHE mostly).
The motives behind this idea is the absurd rake, so we cannot simply start to defend our BB "for odds" everytime, because we are going to see things like this (EP raises and many players call IP) a lot of times, we must try to pick up the best spot.
It is not wrong to be calling here, I just don't think it is optimal.
Perhaps OTR the best move was to be going all-in, because thus no flush could ever fold and there is only 99 beating us.

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

Originally Posted by gochillgo

This hand developed nicely into a full house at the river. Not sure where to bet to make the pot bigger somehow before the river. When full house hits at the river, thinking was to re-raise some for possible flash and hoping a face card flash will re-raise some more. But eventually villain was able to just call for possible hero full house. When I saw villain has nut flash, keep thinking should I have just blasted all-in instead? Which is the optimal bet, 2x, 3x or all-in?



888Poker Snap, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
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UTG: $5.04 (101 bb)
MP: $2.02 (40 bb)
CO: $5.33 (107 bb)
BU: $5.10 (102 bb)
SB: $2.97 (59 bb)
BB (Hero): $4.78 (96 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with 8♣ 7♥
UTG raises to $0.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.62) 2♠ 8♥ 9♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.62) 7♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.62) 8♠ (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.38, 2 players fold, Hero raises to $1.14, UTG calls $0.76

Total pot: $2.90 (Rake: $0.17)

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 8♣ 7♥ (a full house, Eights full of Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 38%, Flop: 73%, Turn: 82%, River: 100%)

UTG shows Q♦ A♠ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 62%, Flop: 27%, Turn: 18%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins $2.73

With the board run out here and villains position, you should definitely be going for a large bet I’d say 3/4-pot sized bet. Sometime soon even an over bet as a lot of the time that villain gets this far down they are going to turn a high flush so you want to be extracting maximum value from the river.
Literally the only hands beating you are 99 and the top straight flush. Both highly unlikely

I would fold this hand preflop. Postflop you could lead turn, but given that its multiway, and both straigts, flushes and better two pair are possible, I dont mind taking the defensive route and checking again.

On the river you have an interesting spot, because as the hand played out, he should really never have one of the few hands, that beat you. So yeah you can probably go larger here and perhaps even overbet, but I would only check-jam, if he is a know fish. Maybe a 2$ bet can look bluffy and at the same time cheap enough, that he will hate life and call with his nut flush?

I have similar thinking to other responders. 78o isn't in my defend against UTG or MP raise from BB range.

I can see why you checked the flop given you have 2nd best pair and there are three other players to act after you.

I would bet your two pair on the turn.

If your opponent has the nut flush like he did, then your check raise seems like a good play to me, however if he has a weaker holding like a weaker flush or something then he might just check back and you lose value. So maybe leading out is a good choice.