$5 NLHE 6-max: Big lost with QQ and JJ hands

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Three of the biggest stack I lost were QQ, JJ

Here is one QQ hands

Seat 3: Small Blind [ME] ($6.72 in chips)
Seat 4: Big Blind ($7.78 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG ($7.32 in chips)
Seat 6: UTG+1 ($2.30 in chips)
Dealer : Set dealer [2]
Player Info: Seat1: P1-28d86418700b39a2384d853ca2b1836b, Seat2: P2-ae1615ba002abf660174ea47ac3d410c, Seat4: P4-42583126476789f747fa291f79368630, Seat5: P5-7e053d8c42a99cdf15abdd0460f0bd9b, Seat6: P6-7910239aff9e7607a54824aa40697110
Small Blind [ME] : Small Blind $0.02
Big Blind : Big Blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Small Blind [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [Qd Qc]
UTG : Card dealt to a spot [Kc Kh]
UTG+1 : Card dealt to a spot [Td 9h]
Big Blind : Table enter user
Big Blind : Seat sit down
UTG : Table enter user
UTG : Seat sit down
UTG+1 : Table enter user
UTG+1 : Seat sit down
UTG : Raises $0.15 to $0.15
UTG+1 : Calls $0.15
UTG+2 : Calls $0.15
Dealer : Calls $0.15
Small Blind [ME] : Raises $0.98 to $1
Big Blind : Folds
UTG : Raises $3.35 to $3.50
UTG+1 : All-in $2.15
UTG+2 : Folds
Dealer : Folds
Small Blind [ME] : All-in(raise) $5.72 to $6.72
UTG : Calls $3.22
*** FLOP *** [9d 8d Jd]
*** TURN *** [9d 8d Jd] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [9d 8d Jd 2h] [Ah]
Small Blind [ME] : Showdown [Qd Qc Ah Jd 9d]
UTG : Showdown [Kh Kc Ah Jd 9d]
UTG+1 : Showdown [9h 9d Ah Jd Td]
UTG : Hand result-Side pot $8.41
UTG : Hand result $6.88
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($16.09)
Board [9d 8d Jd 2h Ah]
Seat+1: UTG+2 Folded before the FLOP
Seat+2: Dealer Folded before the FLOP
Seat+3: Small Blind [ME] lost with [Qd Qc-Qd Qc Ah Jd 9d]
Seat+4: Big Blind Folded before the FLOP
Seat+5: UTG $15.29 with [Kc Kh-Kh Kc Ah Jd 9d]
Seat+6: UTG+1 lost with [Td 9h-9h 9d Ah Jd Td]

Another QQ hand I lost

ignition Hand #3837462672 TBL#23 HOLDEMZonePoker No Limit [MVS] - 2019-10-17 19:22:54 UTC
Table Info: Version: 1, Type: MVS, Stakes: $0.02-$0.05, Table: 00060674-0
Seat 1: Big Blind ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG [ME] ($7.55 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG+1 ($5.46 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG+2 ($5.34 in chips)
Seat 5: Dealer ($5.02 in chips)
Seat 6: Small Blind ($7.86 in chips)
Dealer : Set dealer [5]


*** HOLE CARDS ***
UTG [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [Qd Qc]
UTG+2 : Card dealt to a spot [Ad Kh]
UTG+1 : Table enter user
UTG+1 : Seat sit down
UTG+2 : Table enter user
UTG+2 : Seat sit down
Dealer : Table enter user
Dealer : Seat sit down
Small Blind : Table enter user
Small Blind : Seat sit down
UTG [ME] : Raises $0.15 to $0.15
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+2 : Raises $0.45 to $0.45
Dealer : Folds
Small Blind : Folds
Big Blind : Folds
UTG [ME] : Raises $1.07 to $1.22
UTG+2 : Calls $0.77
*** FLOP *** [4h Ac 9h]
UTG [ME] : Checks
UTG+2 : Bets $0.65
UTG [ME] : Calls $0.65
*** TURN *** [4h Ac 9h] [9d]
UTG [ME] : Checks
UTG+2 : Bets $1.16
UTG [ME] : Calls $1.16
*** RIVER *** [4h Ac 9h 9d] [Jd]
UTG [ME] : Checks
UTG+2 : All-in $2.31
UTG [ME] : Calls $2.31
Small Blind : Seat stand
Small Blind : Table leave user
Dealer : Seat stand
Dealer : Table leave user
UTG+1 : Seat stand
UTG+1 : Table leave user
Big Blind : Seat stand
Big Blind : Table leave user
UTG+2 : Showdown [Ad Ac 9h 9d Kh]
UTG [ME] : Mucks
UTG+2 : Showdown [Ad Ac 9h 9d Kh]
UTG+2 : Hand result $10.22
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($10.75)
Board [4h Ac 9h 9d Jd]
Seat+1: Big Blind Folded before the FLOP
Seat+2: UTG [ME] [Mucked]
Seat+3: UTG+1 Folded before the FLOP
Seat+4: UTG+2 $10.22 with [Ad Kh-Ad Ac 9h 9d Kh]
Seat+5: Dealer Folded before the FLOP
Seat+6: Small Blind Folded before the FLOP

3rd QQ I held and Lost

Ignition Hand #3831963674 TBL#18 HOLDEMZonePoker No Limit [MVS] - 2019-10-04 18:49:20 UTC
Table Info: Version: 1, Type: MVS, Stakes: $0.02-$0.05, Table: 00010502-0
Seat 1: Big Blind ($6.21 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG ($5.25 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG+1 ($3.52 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG+2 ($3.59 in chips)
Seat 5: Dealer ($8.09 in chips)
Seat 6: Small Blind [ME] ($3.89 in chips)
Dealer : Set dealer [5]
Player Info: Seat1: P1-77fd4a7fe24664da4e368a1d314d9f08, Seat2: P2-d6b4931dcda2b38280223566edf9fb04, Seat3: P3-b6782c8f41c18a31f80959457021aced, Seat4: P4-315d2959fa4137e6e4aeb755059eff13, Seat5: P5-14b25e1ec9dabde9d211a13b1048ed11
Small Blind [ME] : Small Blind $0.02
Big Blind : Big Blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Big Blind : Card dealt to a spot [Ks Kh]
Small Blind [ME] : Card dealt to a spot [Qc Qd]
UTG : Folds
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+2 : Folds
Dealer : Folds
Small Blind [ME] : Raises $0.13 to $0.15
Big Blind : Raises $0.40 to $0.45
Small Blind [ME] : Raises $0.85 to $1
Big Blind : All-in(raise) $5.76 to $6.21
Small Blind [ME] : All-in $2.89
Big Blind : Return uncalled portion of bet $2.32
*** FLOP *** [2s 9s 9d]
*** TURN *** [2s 9s 9d] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [2s 9s 9d 8h] [2h]
Big Blind : Showdown [Ks Kh 9s 9d 8h]
Small Blind [ME] : Showdown [Qd Qc 9s 9d 8h]
Big Blind : Hand result $7.40
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($7.78)
Board [2s 9s 9d 8h 2h]
Seat+1: Big Blind $7.40 with [Ks Kh-Ks Kh 9s 9d 8h]
Seat+2: UTG Folded before the FLOP
Seat+3: UTG+1 Folded before the FLOP
Seat+4: UTG+2 Folded before the FLOP
Seat+5: Dealer Folded before the FLOP
Seat+6: Small Blind [ME] lost with [Qc Qd-Qd Qc 9s 9d 8h]

I thought QQs should be a hand that I can get in allin preflop esp OOP, Maybe there some major leak in myg game? Can you guys point few tips out for me how to play TT JJ QQ ? Thanks a lot.
 
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Hand 1:
UTG is committed after 4betting. If no other read, I would lean towards folding esp UTG+1 called behind.

Hand 2 :
Postflop is terrible , check call 3 streets is very bad play
I think you could just cbet very small on the flop and villain likely folded TT-QQ.

Hand 3:
BvB...maybe a cooler but people don't generally 5bet light, best you are flipping with AK. Would you 5bet JJ in BB's spot?

I think you should respect villain 4bet raising/calling range more.
 
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I think getting all in preflop with QQ is still fine. You will occasionally run into KK or AA, and it sucks when you do.

Putting the remainder of your stack in with an Ace on the flop is not so good, in one of the other QQ hands.

Learn to recognise the difference between bad luck, and bad play.
 
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Is 5NL really this aggro? Do you have a HUD with player stats? Are any of these common Vs? Do you really have to stack off vs 5 bet jams pre flop with QQ? As your sample shows, many players are just flatting the 4 bet with AK as in hand 2 so when they 5 bet rip you're probably lucky to have 30% equity for stacks. Doesn't seem like the best spot to call it off.

H1: I think vs UTG 4 bet into 4 players still left in the hand we can fold here. Some players will be capped but UTG shouldn't have many bluffs here. Is UTG really 4 betting JJ into 4 players? Best case we are hoping for V to have AK.

H2: What range do you have V flatting your 4 bet with? Agree with c-bet / fold flop, maybe check / fold. Occasional x/float for that price if V is super loose. What do we expect to beat on the river. TT is never triple barreling here. KK has us beat, Ax has us beat, JJ hit the river. What hands can we possibly beat? As played fold flop, fold turn, definitely fold river.

H3: Blind vs blind is kind of gross but I'm not used to seeing 5 bet jams that aren't KK+ and some combos of AK. Again without stats it's hard to know if V is jamming all his AK but again, this is the best case scenario. Otherwise we are toast.
 
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I think getting all in preflop with QQ is still fine. You will occasionally run into KK or AA, and it sucks when you do.

Putting the remainder of your stack in with an Ace on the flop is not so good, in one of the other QQ hands.

Learn to recognise the difference between bad luck, and bad play.



I think what was in my mind during that hand is The SPR is so low, I Should commit rest of stack in, Is it a fallacy think?
I played that hand very poorly.
 
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I don't hate getting it in preflop with QQ at these low stakes. You're going to run into KK and AA often enough, but you'll see JJ/TT/AK/AQ often enough at these stakes that it's fine.

The 2nd hand I agree with consensus is bad. The range of hands that calls a 4bet in position is pretty much 99-QQ, AK, and AQs. That's about it...and AQ is a bit of a loose call. I would frankly expect this to be AK probably 50% of the time. I would be inclined to open for 1/4 pot...and fold to his inevitable raise. Opening that way gives you a lot of information, while checking almost always invites a bet in this spot. I'll add I would open the same way with AK considering it's a 4bet pot, obviously in that case you'd hope for loose calls from the 99-QQ range.
 
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These hand histories are terrible to read. Could you please use a hand history converter next time? I use this one, which is free. You should enter "output format - plain text" and "hide player names". Thanks.

https://upswingpoker.com/convert/
 
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Hi, I think the first hand was well played, but in the second one why you made a 4bet I would have called in that case the 3 bet of the villain that 3bet gives me a range of AK - KK-AA I didn't think it was a good idea to do the 4 bet there, the third hand as well as the first was fine, you could not fold QQ in the pre-flop bad luck that he had KK but this happens.



I'm sorry but I have to ask because on a couple of occasions I have seen that in your reply you tell the person making the post to hide the name of the players and the truth is I am curious about it, so I ask why, what's wrong with that? do the names of the players appear? the truth is just curiosity, but I also recommend using https://upswingpoker.com/ it is easier to read the hands
 
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I'm sorry but I have to ask because on a couple of occasions I have seen that in your reply you tell the person making the post to hide the name of the players and the truth is I am curious about it, so I ask why, what's wrong with that? do the names of the players appear?

Its just more polite to the other players in the hand to anonymise it. They are after all real players, and someone from the forum might meet them at the tables. Also when discussing a hand its more usefull to know, that the Villain was "HJ" or "CO" rather than knowing his user name on the poker site.
 
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