$5 NLHE 6-max: AK on flop hit TPTK, multiway pot, UTG

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just want to ask

why the correct move here is check? not bet?

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happened at Zoom table , Bovada, no data.
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It's snowie w/ HM cloud.

The answer is because it's wrong. 100% wrong. I honestly wouldn't use these tools. It wants you to balance your range, but it doesn't even give a % of how often you should, which at these stakes you shouldn't balance in this spot, you're just losing money if you do.
 
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You should buy in for a full stack. That's your biggest leak.
 
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You should buy in for a full stack. That's your biggest leak.

no need to discuss that
my MSS is the more or less 12BB/100 my 100 big blinds full buyin is 14BB/100
the variance of MSS is 3 times less than BSS

so you think I should make the full buyin?:D
 
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It's snowie w/ HM cloud.

The answer is because it's wrong. 100% wrong. I honestly wouldn't use these tools. It wants you to balance your range, but it doesn't even give a % of how often you should, which at these stakes you shouldn't balance in this spot, you're just losing money if you do.

reason..reason.
that software is pretty good. fix a lot of my leaks.
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from the big data, if ...millions of run shows should do that, there is profitable to do that.

it is big data rules.

if you think you are right, post your reason - In maths equation. and data. beat it.
 
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It's wrong because you are sitting on UTG, there is people after you that can bet, then you could re-raise or let them continue to bet, then on the river you re-raise his c-bet
 
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It's wrong because you are sitting on UTG, there is people after you that can bet, then you could re-raise or let them continue to bet, then on the river you re-raise his c-bet

do you think it is more profitable to do this than bet?
actually, the software suggest me to check call flop not check raise bet flop.
 
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no need to discuss that
my MSS is the more or less 12BB/100 my 100 big blinds full buyin is 14BB/100
the variance of MSS is 3 times less than BSS

so you think I should make the full buyin?:D

Is that bb or BB?

If you need to ask about the AK hand then I would not recommend shortstacking.

You should stack up and learn how to play poker. Shortstacking is profitable at the micros of course but there's really no need.
 
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do you think it is more profitable to do this than bet?
actually, the software suggest me to check call flop not check raise bet flop.

I think it is more profitable to check call flop, check call turn, check raise/re-raise river
 
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Is that bb or BB?

If you need to ask about the AK hand then I would not recommend shortstacking.

You should stack up and learn how to play poker. Shortstacking is profitable at the micros of course but there's really no need.

so in your eyes, playing SSS and MSS is not called play poker right?
just let you know, it is totally and absolutely wrong!

BTW: let you know , even the live poker game, you can start with shortstack <30Big Blinds. So you think it is not play poker humm?

 
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so in your eyes, playing SSS and MSS is not called play poker right?
just let you know, it is totally and absolutely wrong!

BTW: let you know , even the live poker game, you can start with shortstack <30Big Blinds. So you think it is not play poker humm?


Well you don't really. You just shove and fold. There's almost no post flop play. It requires a bit of skill and is profitable if you're decent but you won't learn postflop skills that will be useful if you ever play live or in deep tourneys.

Better to start off full stacked, learn postflop and then switch to shortstacking if it suits you.
 
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Well you don't really. You just shove and fold. There's almost no post flop play. It requires a bit of skill and is profitable if you're decent but you won't learn postflop skills that will be useful if you ever play live or in deep tourneys.

Better to start off full stacked, learn postflop and then switch to shortstacking if it suits you.
I think I know something you really don't know - or overestimate.
How much BB to start with on the table is a very important part in bankroll management.

Playing poker, the first important thing is Bankroll Management.
Bankroll management way way important and more skill than , playing cards or what you called poker skill.

My initial buy in almost guarantee I am optimized in high hours rating with low variance.

it is far more better skill thank playing. so much for it.


this is middle stack
12bb/100 hands, 1.2 buyin = 60bb variance
run 100K hands, run 1000 times
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at least , guarantee wining money.


this is what you called skill player, 100BB full buyin
14bb/100 hands, 3times of the more variance, 3.6 buyin variance= 360bb
I put in 350
run 100K hands , run 1000 times

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you want to play 100bb full buyin??

100K hands , not guarantee wining money


appendix
bring in 100bb full stack , 30bb/100 hands, this is incredibly top player
variance 360bb

see
100K hands , 1000 times

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worst situation is break even.
so you want 100bb buyin???

100bb buyin 30bb/100 hands player is definitely more skill than 12bb/100 hands , middle stack player, but ...
see good bankroll management is overwhelming the skill on tables.
middle stack player almost guarantee win , but 100bb play ....I just ...say...could not GTD wining money after a fairly large sample size of hands.
 
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It's snowie w/ HM cloud.

The answer is because it's wrong. 100% wrong. I honestly wouldn't use these tools. It wants you to balance your range, but it doesn't even give a % of how often you should, which at these stakes you shouldn't balance in this spot, you're just losing money if you do.

you know
I don't like this kind of reply.
and
it is somewhat no sense, no helpful
or how to say, misleading people... if you are not intent to do it purposely.

I am somewhat >80% chance sure, software is right, you are wrong.
I sit down at my desk, using about 2 hours , calculate manually

here is the result i get.
Capture

here is what software tells me
Ev

clearly... samewhat shows... check is better.

the ev difference is very tiny but...check shows somewhat bigger
and based on times, it would win actually about 40big blinds per about 100 times on average.

and this is not balance play, check is max EV or how to say max value play here!
 
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you know
I don't like this kind of reply.
and
it is somewhat no sense, no helpful
or how to say, misleading people... if you are not intent to do it purposely.

I am somewhat >80% chance sure, software is right, you are wrong.
I sit down at my desk, using about 2 hours , calculate manually

here is the result i get.
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here is what software tells me
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clearly... samewhat shows... check is better.

the ev difference is very tiny but...check shows somewhat bigger
and based on times, it would win actually about 40big blinds per about 100 times on average.

and this is not balance play, check is max EV or how to say max value play here!

You asked for advice we are giving it to you. you quite clearly aren't an experienced player and it will stay that way post flop if you don't stop short stacking. But that's your choice.

John is probably the best player that posts regularly here. He's a poker coach. Stop with your arrogance for one minute and listen to people that have more experience than you. If not, this part of the forum is not for you.
 
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Haha I love these threads. Why even post it if your mind is so made up on the matter? Checking here is probably pretty good against good players but this is 5NL on Bovada and we started the hand with 50bbs and a 3.5SPR. Bet ~.50 on flop and jam turn. Not much to discuss here.
 
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You asked for advice we are giving it to you. you quite clearly aren't an experienced player and it will stay that way post flop if you don't stop short stacking. But that's your choice.

John is probably the best player that posts regularly here. He's a poker coach. Stop with your arrogance for one minute and listen to people that have more experience than you. If not, this part of the forum is not for you.

I ask for good and useful advice to improve my game.
not brainless bad one!

Yeah, admit John may be best player in the world, but don't admit he is helpful and have a open mind set here. See his reply here, it is kind of brainless...quote" I think because the software is wrong!" but my calculation shows software is right.

I am put everything on maths and it is quit objective.- no my arrogance
well the reply here is quite subjective and how to say... no sense and misleading
I personally quite unhappy about that!

Yeah, would consider this part of the forum contains no useful ideas and advice from somewhat un-good players.
 
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Haha I love these threads. Why even post it if your mind is so made up on the matter? Checking here is probably pretty good against good players but this is 5NL on Bovada and we started the hand with 50bbs and a 3.5SPR. Bet ~.50 on flop and jam turn. Not much to discuss here.

I just want to check up, if any other player have ever calculated this?
because I am somewhat, waiting or expecting , kind of reply -

I calculated all the possible range and expected move, it shows the ev difference of check and bet is bla bla bla...

but none here.

PS: NL5 still shows check is better. because it is in the long time, think about 100 times , an extra 2 or 3 pot.

BTW: your plan...bet and empty chips might be work with NL5, but it does not the max plan...;)
 
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I just want to check up, if any other player have ever calculated this?
because I am somewhat, waiting or expecting , kind of reply -

I calculated all the possible range and expected move, it shows the ev difference of check and bet is bla bla bla...

but none here.

PS: NL5 still shows check is better. because it is in the long time, think about 100 times , an extra 2 or 3 pot.

BTW: your plan...bet and empty chips might be work with NL5, but it does not the max plan...;)

We are all telling you that it is not correct. There can be arguments made for it when playing at higher limits against regs. But at 5nl there is no meta game. You make a hand and shovel the money in as fast as possible because you will get called.

I don't spend time each day replying to HA posts just to give people a hard time. Most people here are trying to help.
 
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We are all telling you that it is not correct. There can be arguments made for it when playing at higher limits against regs. But at 5nl there is no meta game. You make a hand and shovel the money in as fast as possible because you will get called.

I don't spend time each day replying to HA posts just to give people a hard time. Most people here are trying to help.

so you tell me it is not correct '
simply ask what's your maths part?

calculation, results? yeah, you obv don't willing to spend 2 hours sitting down silently ... help people here in HA section, with your precious time.

just one words, It is easier said than done! - yeah people are trying to help , mostly on their mouths, not giving their hands!
 
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I need that software as I would of bet instead of c/c.
 
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so you tell me it is not correct '
simply ask what's your maths part?

calculation, results? yeah, you obv don't willing to spend 2 hours sitting down silently ... help people here in HA section, with your precious time.

just one words, It is easier said than done! - yeah people are trying to help , mostly on their mouths, not giving their hands!

There really isn't much maths at this level. Like John said, it's about balancing your range which is completely useless at 5nl.
 
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I need that software as I would of bet instead of c/c.
Sarah, I will PM you
and good luck
it has 10 days free trial, I purchase the basic plan, and I paid two account, which I think it is enough for me currently.
good luck.
 
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Sarah, I will PM you
and good luck
it has 10 days free trial, I purchase the basic plan, and I paid two account, which I think it is enough for me currently.
good luck.

Thanks Sunny, Just read it :)
 
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There really isn't much maths at this level. Like John said, it's about balancing your range which is completely useless at 5nl.

the maths works in situation not level.
this shows your inexperience.

it looks like , you are willing to help , but ...no able to provide the right help.
thanks for your reply anyway.
 
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