Stu_Ungar
Legend
Silver Level
Ok, I disagree, no point in arguing it further. I prefer to c/r the flop to get value from hands he c-bets and may continue with such as flush draws, AQ and JTs, that he probably would flat with if you lead or fold them. You prefer to lead and get value that way, but the problem I see is that worse hands might not call.
When you make a bet with a value hand, you want hands to call and not to fold.
When you make a bet with air you want a fold and not a call.
We have a value hand, so we want a call.
Now you say that if we lead worse hands might not call, so why would these same hands call a CR?
The only reason to CR is when you have a hand so strong that you can get value by CR or when you have air and think he would flat a lead but fold to a CR.
CR to take the pot down now AKA fold out everything you beat is wrong, you are loosing value.
People seem to think the idea in poker is to blow people off draws, it isnt, its to bet as big as possible so that people call. What you have to bear in mind here is that there are only a few draws available and only a couple of legtinmate made hands you beat, so you do not have a hand so strong that you can CR and get value.
We have a value hand so bluffing with it is stupid.
In your example we are getting value from AQ by CR (second pair??) are you serious? We would be lucky to keep KT in to a CR and as for these FDs there are exactly 2 combos in his range.
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