$3000 NLHE Full Ring: Hero call in OOP from BB /3bet in the river of BTN

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Hero receives from BB's position: Kd-8d. Hero stack: approximately $ 7500
In this hand I face the player located in the BTN position. He has a stack of approximately $ 10,000.
This player is a regular at the table. I have seen him in other rounds with different types of hands, in general he plays the ranges according to the positions. In this case I like Kd-8d to play against BTN, since it is a hand that blocks an upper pocket like K-K and also a middle one like 8-8. It also interferes with BTN's open range at 9-8; 8-7. And also in hands as A-6 and A-5. Overall it has good gameplay against a wide range. And it was probably also time to defend this position a bit, since I considered that this frequency was a little low, in preflop from EP.
As for the CO player, I consider that he was quite passive. It has a stack of approximately $ 2000 (it is the shortest stack on the table). I have not seen him any call 3-bet while being OOP. In general you could say that it has a preflop defense around 20% IP.
Really live these frequencies don't matter much, because the volume played is quite low. But if we can have a possible intuition, that the closest move that V1: CO can make after our call / 3bet, is fold.


Sequence


Preflop
From UTG to HJ folds, CO opens at $ 40. BTN 3-bet $ 112, SB fold. Hero from BB call, CO fold.
Calling, we obviously expected fold equity in CO and fortunately we were right.

Pot of approximately $ 274 (2 players)
Flop:
Qd 9d 6c

Hero check. Villain cbet at $ 74. Hero tanks a few seconds and I call.
It was a bet of around 27% of the pot. BTN was able to do this with a line like J-T with blocker. In that case our range of calls could be made up of middle hands, which must be protected. For example: 7-7; 8-8; A-9. Eventually some Qx + FD.
The villain could also bet standard for protection, with medium scale hands like T-T and now our calling range could be a line like: AK; K-J; Q-J; + BFD + FD.
Maybe villain is looking for fold equity with wide open hands like 9x, but after our BTN call he knows he doesn't block J-T. Therefore hero could call now with A-6; A-8; + BFD + FD.

Estimated pot: $ 422
Turn: Qd 9d 6c 7c

Villain bets $ 233. Hero tank about 20 seconds and then 3bet at $ 666. BTN calls. BTN movement has all the form of a value bet. I put it in a J-J line with flush blocker + QX without flush + Q-T in its lowest span. In these cases, the hero call range could be made up of hands such as 9X (with the possibility of conversion on the river); 8-8. And in our 3bet / turn line: Ad-xd; 6-6; 7-7.
Right now my hand is blocking a flush draw combo. But now on the board new suitable combinations appear, which could stay in the rank of the villain.
I choose to 3-bet to balance my bluff range given my BB position on the table. The attack is intended to neutralize hands, which are likely to seek to defend themselves in the river if they decide to call now. Right now, I represent the maximum of my range, so if the villain had pushed me on the turn, I would have a clearer decision to fold, because I have the second nut of my flush draw combo and now the villain would be blocking me all my bluffs and semi bluffs combos.

Boat approximate 1.7k
River:
Qd 6c 9d 7c 5d

Hero tank like 8 seconds and then I check.
At this point he needed that villain retain the entire structure of his range. On the turn, my raise was looking a fold equity from dominated value hands. Maybe they would continue to call those hands they could improve on, like some combo draws. But that would be just a small percentage, compared to all the valuable hands the villain could fold here. So if I was leading now, this meant isolating myself with that small percentage of combos representing the strongest part of the V rank.
The villain bets 1k donk. At this point it is good not to block the set of lines, because now the villain could convert those values into semi-bluffs connected to this texture. Also the flush line of pikes was not completed, so by definition there have to be some more bluffs combos in rank V. Considering this possibility, I chose the option to exploit all bluffs in the BTN range. I raise at 2.5k. I chose this size because the villain might see it as a weakness and he thought he would try to pull me out of the boat.
BTN 3-bet all in with the rest of his chips, the shove was approximately 8.2k. The pot amounted to 13.4k. I had to put 4.2k (go all in) to stay in hand. (3: 1). At the time I thought that a hand like Ad-Xd couldn't call 3bet IP in the turn at the risk of hero completing a straight flush line. I thought maximum 40 seconds and then I made the call. I knew I was behind mainly 4 combos suits Ad-Td and Ad-Jd (oddly played on the turn) and Ad-6d (6d was part of my 3-bet range on the turn) and the same consideration for Ad -7d.


I would like to know your opinion about this hand in general. What do you think is the range of the villain on the river? After a few days and receiving some opinions I will publish what happened, regarding which was the hand that BTN showed on the river. See you soon and thank you all very much.

Greetings.
 
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Greetings! I don't like this line at all.

Pre: In general when passive players show aggression they have a more narrow value range so I don't understand why we think CO will fold to the 3 bet. They are short stacked but still have 100 BB and should be considered. They are uncapped and can call or 4 bet. For this reason I think this is a 100% fold pre spot. Best case scenario is what we got, and that is being OOP with K8dd in a 3 bet pot. We block a few flush combos and KK but I don't really care about blocking hands that have 8x. We are putting ourselves in a lot of bad spots here and as we find on the river, even when we make our flush it's not the nuts. We may be deep enough to defend some in a single raised pot but in a 3 bet pot with action left behind just fold.

Flop: As played, if we are making that -EV pre flop call this is the flop we want. We should be x/r this every time and piling in on the turn as well then evaluate river. I don't like the x/c here. X/r or take a free card and pot control both seem better.

Turn: We picked up even more equity and we are deep enough to apply pressure. If we aren't willing to apply max pressure here then we have to fold pre. If we are calling OOP with weaker ranges we will need more aggressive lines to break even IMO. I like the x/r here. Since we are OOP and deep and it is harder to realize equity I would size 3.5 or 4x.

River: This is our bingo card but we are still not feeling great about the action. I think this again points out the trouble with K8dd. Pros do this on TV but for normal grinders without tons of reads it may be best to avoid these spots when we can. I would probably pot this river and it's really read / villain dependent on if we can fold to the jam. You haven't provided much in the way of reads on V but if he's 3 betting a passive open and you have A6s in his range I would venture to guess that this guy has bluffs when we induce action by checking back the river with the second nuts after x/r turn. As played I'm calling but I would never be in this spot unless we somehow knew that V was a maniac and would jam if we x. Most people aren't 3x overbet jamming the nut flush here after we have shown interest on the turn. If he has the Ace high flush he will want value and could go as high as pot but a jam seems like an over play after we check.

You play in some huge games with tons of action so I think there's a good chance you won this hand but V will occasionally have the nut flush and overplay it as you have shown a propensity to call down light in hands you have posted. If I played against you I would use huge overbets on the river for value with strong hands. Blocking the Ad is MUCH better than blocking the Kd since there are tons of small and large Axdd hands that can 3 bet but only a hand full of Kxdd hands that can do the same.
 
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The casino has special rules such as maximum all in of 3k after a random number of hands, etc. These specifications are not included in this description.


Hero receives from BB's position: Kd-8d. Hero stack: approximately $ 7500
In this hand I face the player located in the BTN position. He has a stack of approximately $ 10,000.
This player is a regular at the table. I have seen him in other rounds with different types of hands, in general he plays the ranges according to the positions. In this case I like Kd-8d to play against BTN, since it is a hand that blocks an upper pocket like K-K and also a middle one like 8-8. It also interferes with BTN's open range at 9-8; 8-7. And also in hands as A-6 and A-5. Overall it has good gameplay against a wide range. And it was probably also time to defend this position a bit, since I considered that this frequency was a little low, in preflop from EP.
As for the CO player, I consider that he was quite passive. It has a stack of approximately $ 2000 (it is the shortest stack on the table). I have not seen him any call 3-bet while being OOP. In general you could say that it has a preflop defense around 20% IP.
Really live these frequencies don't matter much, because the volume played is quite low. But if we can have a possible intuition, that the closest move that V1: CO can make after our call / 3bet, is fold.


Sequence


Preflop
From UTG to HJ folds, CO opens at $ 40. BTN 3-bet $ 112, SB fold. Hero from BB call, CO fold.
Calling, we obviously expected fold equity in CO and fortunately we were right.

Pot of approximately $ 274 (2 players)
Flop:
Qd 9d 6c

Hero check. Villain cbet at $ 74. Hero tanks a few seconds and I call.
It was a bet of around 27% of the pot. BTN was able to do this with a line like J-T with blocker. In that case our range of calls could be made up of middle hands, which must be protected. For example: 7-7; 8-8; A-9. Eventually some Qx + FD.
The villain could also bet standard for protection, with medium scale hands like T-T and now our calling range could be a line like: AK; K-J; Q-J; + BFD + FD.
Maybe villain is looking for fold equity with wide open hands like 9x, but after our BTN call he knows he doesn't block J-T. Therefore hero could call now with A-6; A-8; + BFD + FD.

Estimated pot: $ 422
Turn: Qd 9d 6c 7c

Villain bets $ 233. Hero tank about 20 seconds and then 3bet at $ 666. BTN calls. BTN movement has all the form of a value bet. I put it in a J-J line with flush blocker + QX without flush + Q-T in its lowest span. In these cases, the hero call range could be made up of hands such as 9X (with the possibility of conversion on the river); 8-8. And in our 3bet / turn line: Ad-xd; 6-6; 7-7.
Right now my hand is blocking a flush draw combo. But now on the board new suitable combinations appear, which could stay in the rank of the villain.
I choose to 3-bet to balance my bluff range given my BB position on the table. The attack is intended to neutralize hands, which are likely to seek to defend themselves in the river if they decide to call now. Right now, I represent the maximum of my range, so if the villain had pushed me on the turn, I would have a clearer decision to fold, because I have the second nut of my flush draw combo and now the villain would be blocking me all my bluffs and semi bluffs combos.

Boat approximate 1.7k
River:
Qd 6c 9d 7c 5d

Hero tank like 8 seconds and then I check.
At this point he needed that villain retain the entire structure of his range. On the turn, my raise was looking a fold equity from dominated value hands. Maybe they would continue to call those hands they could improve on, like some combo draws. But that would be just a small percentage, compared to all the valuable hands the villain could fold here. So if I was leading now, this meant isolating myself with that small percentage of combos representing the strongest part of the V rank.
The villain bets 1k donk. At this point it is good not to block the set of lines, because now the villain could convert those values into semi-bluffs connected to this texture. Also the flush line of pikes was not completed, so by definition there have to be some more bluffs combos in rank V. Considering this possibility, I chose the option to exploit all bluffs in the BTN range. I raise at 2.5k. I chose this size because the villain might see it as a weakness and he thought he would try to pull me out of the boat.
BTN 3-bet all in with the rest of his chips, the shove was approximately 8.2k. The pot amounted to 13.4k. I had to put 4.2k (go all in) to stay in hand. (3: 1). At the time I thought that a hand like Ad-Xd couldn't call 3bet IP in the turn at the risk of hero completing a straight flush line. I thought maximum 40 seconds and then I made the call. I knew I was behind mainly 4 combos suits Ad-Td and Ad-Jd (oddly played on the turn) and Ad-6d (6d was part of my 3-bet range on the turn) and the same consideration for Ad -7d.


I would like to know your opinion about this hand in general. What do you think is the range of the villain on the river? After a few days and receiving some opinions I will publish what happened, regarding which was the hand that BTN showed on the river. See you soon and thank you all very much.

Greetings.

Hi there great friend, thank your for posting this wonderful hand for analysis. Sorry, but 3000 NLHE is way beyond my knowledge and technics to make a comment. I can make more mistakes and induce you to make wrong decisions.
Professionally speaking I have no ideia how regulars are playing 400 NLHE today. My experience at lower limits is not enough here, and I will let you down here today.
Nonetheless, if you don't know it, I would like to recommend a few things about high stakes poker, the first one is the YouTube Channel, "Online High Stakes Poker", and I don't believe I am breaking any forum rules here, since the purpose is only academic here, where we see the monsters battle on pokerstars:
PokerStars also has the option to "Observe", so if we have enough patience, we can learn a great deal from the masters. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR_WOPgaaHOJEo5dc6M7SdQ

This another YouTube channel is Finding Equilibrium, where they analyse hands played by the artists of poker utilizing PioSolver and deep GTO concepts and analysis. I don't know but I guess that as higher the stakes, lower the rake which allows players to do something that it is simply not possible at 100 NLHE, for example (where the rake is higher compared to 1000 NLHE for example).

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7aITSUnVsbnaESJe94d-tg

I hope it helps you! Have a nice day, gl always!:D



Regards;

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Greetings! I don't like this line at all.

Pre: In general when passive players show aggression they have a more narrow value range so I don't understand why we think CO will fold to the 3 bet. They are short stacked but still have 100 BB and should be considered. They are uncapped and can call or 4 bet. For this reason I think this is a 100% fold pre spot. Best case scenario is what we got, and that is being OOP with K8dd in a 3 bet pot. We block a few flush combos and KK but I don't really care about blocking hands that have 8x. We are putting ourselves in a lot of bad spots here and as we find on the river, even when we make our flush it's not the nuts. We may be deep enough to defend some in a single raised pot but in a 3 bet pot with action left behind just fold.

Flop: As played, if we are making that -EV pre flop call this is the flop we want. We should be x/r this every time and piling in on the turn as well then evaluate river. I don't like the x/c here. X/r or take a free card and pot control both seem better.

Turn: We picked up even more equity and we are deep enough to apply pressure. If we aren't willing to apply max pressure here then we have to fold pre. If we are calling OOP with weaker ranges we will need more aggressive lines to break even IMO. I like the x/r here. Since we are OOP and deep and it is harder to realize equity I would size 3.5 or 4x.

River: This is our bingo card but we are still not feeling great about the action. I think this again points out the trouble with K8dd. Pros do this on TV but for normal grinders without tons of reads it may be best to avoid these spots when we can. I would probably pot this river and it's really read / villain dependent on if we can fold to the jam. You haven't provided much in the way of reads on V but if he's 3 betting a passive open and you have A6s in his range I would venture to guess that this guy has bluffs when we induce action by checking back the river with the second nuts after x/r turn. As played I'm calling but I would never be in this spot unless we somehow knew that V was a maniac and would jam if we x. Most people aren't 3x overbet jamming the nut flush here after we have shown interest on the turn. If he has the Ace high flush he will want value and could go as high as pot but a jam seems like an over play after we check.

You play in some huge games with tons of action so I think there's a good chance you won this hand but V will occasionally have the nut flush and overplay it as you have shown a propensity to call down light in hands you have posted. If I played against you I would use huge overbets on the river for value with strong hands. Blocking the Ad is MUCH better than blocking the Kd since there are tons of small and large Axdd hands that can 3 bet but only a hand full of Kxdd hands that can do the same.



Thank you for your analysis. Villain could not make fold with his straight. He haved Ad-8, with diamond blocker. The other street I do not remember the stick but it was an 8 ( he probably blocked the Flush Draws of s). On another occasion that same villain won a fat boat with an incredible hand, Full House vs Straight Flush.
 
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