25NL Pocket 2s facing raise and callers.

[SeanyJ]

pokerstars Game #16304935972: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/03/28 - 02:21:23 (ET)
Table 'Bojeva III' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: ur.a.mag ($24.30 in chips)
Seat 2: SeanyJ24 ($23.90 in chips)
Seat 3: mizzouwho2 ($76.20 in chips)
Seat 4: DaTruf_88 ($25.10 in chips)
Seat 5: TiLtTiLtT1Lt ($16.20 in chips)
Seat 6: gunfighter27 ($10 in chips)
Seat 7: snake2122 ($25 in chips)
Seat 8: TrIpPiN_bDc ($22.55 in chips)
Seat 9: Tokuan ($31.95 in chips)
TiLtTiLtT1Lt: posts small blind $0.10
gunfighter27: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SeanyJ24 [2c 2s]
snake2122: calls $0.25
TrIpPiN_bDc: folds
Tokuan: folds
ur.a.mag: folds
SeanyJ24: calls $0.25
mizzouwho2: calls $0.25
DaTruf_88: folds
TiLtTiLtT1Lt: raises $0.75 to $1
gunfighter27: folds
snake2122: calls $0.75
SeanyJ24: calls $0.75
mizzouwho2: raises $3 to $4
TiLtTiLtT1Lt: calls $3
snake2122: calls $3
SeanyJ24:...?

I know I am beat here, but I am getting like.. 4.5:1 on my money and if I hit my set I'm pretty sure someone is probably getting stacked. It's pretty clear that someone has a pretty big hand here and I really had no idea what to do.

 

[Munchrs]

if your implied odds are 12:1 or better call. otherwise fold.

 

[SeanyJ]

So it's just that simple, if I think I can win 36 dollars when I hit my set I should call. I shouldn't be considering anything else?

 

[Munchrs]

So it's just that simple, if I think I can win 36 dollars when I hit my set I should call. I shouldn't be considering anything else?

um not really. i insta muck this most times. Your likely way behind now and its unlikely that you will win enough to justify cslling. also edit 12:1 to closer to 8-10:1 because it much more likely you will stack someone here if you hit.

 

[shinedown.45]

Sure your getting good odds to call this but considring the size of the raise in front of you, your flop would have to be almost perfect with no A/K/Q hitting the flop with your 2.
I also fold here most times just becacause 22 is too easily counterfeited.

 

[skoldpadda]

You don't really have the implied odds you need. You would have to stack 2 players for this to be +EV. If you call the extra $3 you only have about $20 left behind (less than 7:1), but you need at least 12:1 or more to make this +EV. This ratio has been discussed extensively in other threads, most intelligently by AlienGenius.

 

[SeanyJ]

I did fold because I just knew that I was dominated but it just seemed like I would be getting the right odds to make the call but now that I think about it, there is no way I'm going to make enough here to make it a +EV play, this wasn't really even worth posting

 

[royalburrito24]

It was completely worth posting. If people learn new things (like I did) in each thread, then the thread served its purpose correctly.

 

[Munchrs]

this wasn't really even worth posting

It was because it confirmed that your reasoning is sound. Also others may learn.

 

[skoldpadda]

No, actually this concept of implied odds needed for set mining bears repeating. Good post.

 

[marvindabob]

fold. you are 8 to 1 to hit a set by the river, and are only getting 4.5 to 1 on your money. pocket deuces have no merit at all if they miss, and callind is definetely a -EV play. i am always trying to limp in cheap and make a set in a pot i know is going to be big, but you are now either crushed under a bigger pair or coinflipping. so i reccomend a fold here.

 

[royalburrito24]

fold. you are 8 to 1 to hit a set by the river, and are only getting 4.5 to 1 on your money. pocket deuces have no merit at all if they miss, and callind is definetely a -EV play. i am always trying to limp in cheap and make a set in a pot i know is going to be big, but you are now either crushed under a bigger pair or coinflipping. so i reccomend a fold here.

This particular play is most definitely a fold. But, what you are suggesting is that he should fold every low pocket pair pre-flop if there is any raise whatsoever. You are 8-1 to make a set, and you are definitely not getting the right odds to make the call. But you call anyways because the implied odds usually outweigh the odds on your money.