This is a discussion on $25 NLHE Full Ring: set vs set cooler, anything I could have done? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 6 players
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crazybigred82 (UTG): $31.06 (124 bb)
birdwing (MP): $10.33 (41 bb)
Yes you can do something.. fold preflop. 87o is such a bad hand esp drom sb so just fold pre
fundiver199 liked this post
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First of all you did not have a set, you had trips. While technically the same hand (3 of a kind) trips is not nearly as strong as a set, because you only need one hole card to make it. This means, its much easier to have trips than a set, you can be outkicked, and other players can see the paired board, so they are not likely to mindlessly stack off with top pair or an overpair.
Just fold. Flatting in SB with bad hands like this is asking for trouble. This hand is a brilliant example. Even when you hit one of the best possible flops, you still flopped a costly second best hand. You created your own cooler by getting involved with a bad hand, you should just have gotten rid off.
Leading for 25% pot is pretty weird. What are you trying to accomplish? If BTN has a Q or an overpair, he is going to bet anyway, and by leading you just take away his option to bluff. If he whiffed with for instance AJ, he is just going to fold. As played calling his raise is of course fine.
As played your turn bet is fine. BB look like, he probably has a Q, so the relatively small size is good as well. However when he raise, you need to fold. What can he even have, he is bluffing with here? Its a completely dry rainbow board, so not a single draw is available. Your only hope is to make a boat on the river, and that he dont already have a better boat with QQ or Q7, and you are getting bad odds to draw. Also remember that you still get to see his hand. So you will know for sure, he did not bluff you. And if he really did, you can take a note and adjust in the future.
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87o is a weak hand, just fold, strange size bets, with no need, try more low stakes, in this 0,10 , 025 is unlikely to people bluff pre flop, no one want to lose money
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fundiver made a good point- you will still get to see this dudes hand if you fold!
My own notes:
Pre: I don't hate playing 87o, but admittedly it is not the best, especially OOP. If it's suited, we could maybe incorporate it into our 3-bet range. We also need to account for what BB is playing here, when he calls and when he 3-bets. If you're calling with a lot of hands pre, expect BB to 3-bet squeeze some % of the time.
Flop: You are first to act with 2 players left, one being the initial raiser. Why bet here? They will fold their air and maybe get nervous with moderate holdings.
By checking, you let them bet their Ace highs (BB may do this), their pocket pairs that missed, and all their Qs. Depending on the strength of the bet you can just call or reraise.
Turn: This guy called your flop bet and BTN's over-bet shove, so he is strong. But since he is so strong you may just want to check to him and see what he does. Turn card didn't change anything. He may value bet KQ, maybe even AQ, maybe he is getting tricky with KK or AA if he is that type of player.
There are certainly more hands that you beat than those that beat you, but it's hard to think about a pair of queens ripping it (nearly) all-in here. Once you see the raise you can guess this guy has a boat.
A7 would be more of a hand I assign to BTN
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re: Poker & $25 NLHE Full Ring: set vs set cooler, anything I could have done?
8-7 off is a marginal hand that had a bit of luck this time, but in most cases it is not advisable to play these combinations. But when you have no advantage over your opponents (you are out of position and behind you there is a player who has you covered in chips).
8-7 blocks 60% of the total possible stairs and they are low-scale by 40% and only blocks 20% of mid-range stairs.
Also in this case your 8 protect the set by 46% so it becomes a weak hand to play post flop.
If you came to the flop with this hand, you should retire in front of that re-raise.