$25 NL Overpair and OESD vs all-in turn bet

Schatzdog

Schatzdog

Visionary
This is the sixth hand I've played so no reads except watching one orbit before sitting down. Rohni is a bit loose pre-flop but that's about it.

Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/03/02 - 19:37:05 (ET) Table 'Sirius' 9-max
Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: rohni ($17.70 in chips)
Seat 3: bagger01 ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 5: tofubones ($30.25 in chips)
Seat 6: don_renard ($23.65 in chips)
Seat 7: CrazyRayD ($26.60 in chips)
Seat 8: Victor v S ($14.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Bluetones ($26.30 in chips)
Bluetones: posts small blind $0.10 rohni: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bluetones [Qh Qs]
bagger01: calls $0.25
tofubones: calls $0.25
don_renard: folds
CrazyRayD: folds
Victor v S: folds
Bluetones: raises $0.75 to $1
rohni: calls $0.75
bagger01: calls $0.75
tofubones: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Js Tc 9c] Super co-ordinated board, but pretty good for me. I'd say eight clean outs.
Bluetones: bets $2
rohni: folds
bagger01: calls $2
tofubones: calls $2
Of the two in the hand I put one on a draw but what does the other hold to keep coming with me? Do you think I'm ahead here or behind a bigger made hand?
*** TURN *** [Js Tc 9c] [3h]
Bluetones: bets $6.25 Pricing out draws.
bagger01: folds I'd say that is the club draw out.
tofubones: raises $21 to $27.25 and is all-in I was thinking two-pair at the time or trips.
Bluetones:confused:

General comments on the play of the hand?
 
ChuckTs

ChuckTs

Legend
I hate these hands just because I always pay them off thinking that I may still be ahead and that I have redraws if I'm not.

I think this is a definite fold though; smooth-call the flop and push the turn? Really what does this that you have beat?

I say fold as the best play, but I can't lay this down (curiosity + overvalueing QQ) so I personally call.
 
p215j

p215j

Enthusiast
I'd say you played the hand great and in this position you have to call. I don’t see anyway for you to get away from this hand. Your opponent may have been calling with at best AJ, A10o or even less. Your opponent may put you on AK making a standard continuation bet of $2. drawing to Broadway so he called. Then when the 3h hits & you bet he’s move in on you and you’ve reached an inflection point; what do you push back with here? Your hand is so strong and if you lose it's just the luck of the draw.
 
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drtofu66

Guest
Raise more PF-- $1.50-$2. You gave decent odds to a hand like 9c8c and you'll be OOP the rest of the hand (it was only $0.75 more to call for a pot of $3.50 when it got back to the main villain!).

I don't like this flop-- Heads-up in a tournament is one thing, but not a multiway cash game. I throw up a little in my mouth when I see this board and I have QQ, am 1st to act and there are 3 to follow. You have SIX clean outs (the Kc and 8c don't get me all that excited here). Even the other three 8's may just give you the 2nd nut straight.

As played, I fold to the push. I smell a rat when a loose villain PF here was passive on the flop, then comes alive and goes AI on a blank turn and after the dead money gets out of the way (and after you declare that you have a big PP). Much more often than not, villain has a made hand that can beat an overpair here, anything from a made straight, 2 pair, or a set.
 
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Heraclitus

Enthusiast
you priced in too many hands with a weak raise at the outset

KQ dominates you

or any of the hands you suspected

if you had been at the table longer you might get a feel for the raiser to see if he would go all in with AJ on that hand... with limited reads your best option was to fold
 
Schatzdog

Schatzdog

Visionary
Interesting feedback thanks. This is a "usual" raise for me because I do play a TAG game and my raises usually get respect. Given I've only been at the table a short amount of time though, no-one will know that. So yeah a raise to $1.50 or $2. Still though, I do want some action with QQ and obviously I didn't know I was getting called in a few places. But being OOP justifies a bigger raise here I think.

I said 8 clean outs because I included the two QQ's and the six for my open-ender. 6-7 is maybe more accurate though.

Agreed the turn is a fold. Like I said in OP two pair or a set. I folded. He showed 10's for the set.
 
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bw07507

Legend
I definately wouldve folded that, but it would have been a tough decision. I dont know how the villain slowplays his trips on the flop with a straight and flush draw there, but at all the tables I am at everyone slow plays pretty much no matter what, so definately a fold. I could see him having pocket 4s here, but pretty bad flop play by him with the trip 10s. Good laydown
 
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drtofu66

Guest
I said 8 clean outs because I included the two QQ's and the six for my open-ender. 6-7 is maybe more accurate though.

[kc][jc] definitely stays in this hand on the flop, maybe KJo does. Had we turned a Q (one of which has the stick of clubs on it) I wouldn't be ready to push my chips in there just yet.
 
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