$2000 NLHE Full Ring: QQ ragged board

[TenJack]

Hero is LAG, 400ish BB

Villain is Tight-passive player, i think he has a 3bet range composed of value hands. Pretty passive. I was honestly suprised to see him raise. 100ish BB

Folds to hero in MP with QhQs
Hero raises to 80
Folds to villain on BU
Villain raises to 160
Folds around, hero calls.

Flop: 8d 4h 3s Pot: 350

Hero bets 250
Villain raises to 500
Hero folds

Is this a decent fold? I understand that im getting supreme odds, but what can he have?

I figured it was better to lead the flop because he is only going to bet with AA, KK, QQ maybe and i would have to fold? I cant imagine he raises here with AK.

 

[VisionNutz]

In my own personal opinion I think this is a bad fold.

What kinds of hands do you see villain min raising pre and min raising flop with

Smells really weak and smells like he's passively leveraging his tight image.

 

[VisionNutz]

I just dont see a tight passive doing this min raise shenanigans pre flop with

88s 44s or 33s??

however it should be noted I am a much smaller stakes player and I am sure your own intuition and feel for the game "in the moment" had much more value to go off of!

So in the end, it was a safe fold as well

 

[VisionNutz]

We're ahead of

99s / 1010s / JJs

where he could easily be doing some TP min raise shenanigans to see where they are at.

 

[TheBigFinn]

Hero believes Villain "only raises value hands." So what is Villain's range preflop? JJ+, AK, AIs+ That's 4% Hero assumes Villain will not min re-raise without at least a pair, so Hero is losing to AA & KK 12 combos, tying QQ and beating JJ 6 combos If Hero is right he need to win two for every chip called.after Villain raises there is 1,00 in the pot and Hero needs to call 250. so the fold is too tight.

Of course if the JJ is not in Villain's range AND Villain has no bluffs, the fold is good. I doubt both of those things are true, but I wasn't there.

 

[Hujiko]

Yes the fold is good if you are correct and the villain is a tight-passive player. Mostly tight passive player would almost always just call your flop bet only when he has a top hand he might raise your bet.

Against a tight passive player I might just check call on the flop and if the turn comes I would check/fold to any bet from a tight passive player. Today most tight passive players are capable of c-betting on the flop at least for some % of the time, but they tend to shut up if they get any resistance and don't have it.

 

[Ahoy]

If you think he is tight passive and he is raising you on the flop after he 3bet, then, you can definitely fold queens, but the question is, why would you bet the flop yourself? What does that achieve? That bet folds out all of his AK and other Ax hands that are STILL going to C-bet and you can comfortably call, and its always going to face a call/raise if he has AA or KK.

I think given how you played it is a reasonable laydown but I think the hand overall is butchered. Doesnt make any sense to donk the flop.

 

[TenJack]

If you think he is tight passive and he is raising you on the flop after he 3bet, then, you can definitely fold queens, but the question is, why would you bet the flop yourself? What does that achieve? That bet folds out all of his AK and other Ax hands that are STILL going to C-bet and you can comfortably call, and its always going to face a call/raise if he has AA or KK.

I think given how you played it is a reasonable laydown but I think the hand overall is butchered. Doesnt make any sense to donk the flop.

I was donking because, Seriously, i have never actually seen him bet on a flop without either the stone cold nuts or a really huge pair. I dont think he bets AK here. (He is that passive.) I could be wrong, admittedly, but i think he only bets the flop with AA, KK.

I guess it is bad either way... donk it and hope to see a call from 16 combos and avoid a raise, or check/fold. :icon_pale:icon_puke Seems a bit like the giants drink... I don't like either option but maybe i chose the worse of the two.

Also, bigfinn, i gave him a range of QQ+, AKo, AKs

 

[braveslice]

In my mind I would just give him AA and would not think it more (if I play my A game that is ) If he has min raise habit you should find the pattern fast is my guess and then worry more about it. Online our tight passive could be also weak here.

I don't like the donk, but that is mostly because I know nothing about the move. But if he does not CB and has something weirdly loose like JJ he will give you at least one street value on later streets if the board runs nicely enough. Also you can just fold, if you know he wont CB worse and save some money, or call if you were a bit exaggerating, he should be easy enough to play post.

 

[micromoi]

i dont like your donk bet u did put him on KK or AA so why r u calling the flop i dont see a set mine there with QQ. i woul like a check raise on the flop and if u get 4beted then it's a fold.

 

[John A]

What casino do you play at?

Just curious what casino has 2k games that play like 1/2 live.

 

[TenJack]

Im not going to answer that (just for privacy reasons, would't want you coming and taking all of my money)

But i try to only post the hands where things got weird/interesting. So most of the time play is normal, you just happen to be seeing through my posts when it was wonky.