$200 NLHE Full Ring: Live 1/3 - Bluff catch vs aggro V with crazy line?

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c0rnBr34d

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Have played plenty with V before. He's a middle aged regular who has gotten better but has major holes in his game would be surprised if he was a lifetime winner. Biggest of which is tilt aggression and tilt call downs. This session V bought in small for about $200 and worked it up to $600+ before losing some big pots. Currently sitting about $400 and Hero covers.

OTTH:
MP open to $10, 2 callers including V on the button and Hero completes from the BB with AhTc.

Flop ($37): 8h 8c 3h
Checks to V who stabs at it for $20. V will bet pretty much any two cards here to steal when checked to but we are not closing the action. A fold is safer but chances of getting x/r from behind are low based on other Vs previous play. We defend with overs and back doors. Fold, fold. Heads up to the turn.

Turn ($75): 8h 8c 3h Jh
We miss but pick up the nut heart draw and the Ace is also probably good. V would often size down flop with trips but MAY bet over half pot to charge flush draws. V bets $40, Hero calls.

River ($155): 8h 8c 3h Jh Jd
We miss again and check. V quickly bets $75. His value range is super thin here. He's definitely 3B TT+ pre. So he may have some 99, the rest of his pocket pairs are counterfeited and it doesn't make much sense to barrel off a flush on a double paired board plus we block the nut flush limiting some combos. I'm in the tank. I decide to make the call expecting to chop some and get shown a boat on rare occasion but I think he also shows up with T9, QT, KT, 97, Q9 and other random air often enough to at least break even. Too optimistic?
 
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Hey c0rnBr34d, hope you are well.

In my local games the rake is too damn high to justify a flat with ATo even in the BB. 4-way and out of position it's going to be hard to make a profit.

But forgetting rake I'd even muck OTF. But assuming we can profitably float there, I'd raise the turn for sure! You are going to get him to fold a lot of stuff with equity, get him off a chop, and you can put pressure on his lower pocket pairs. Your hand has enough equity to pull off a turn xr, and you block many of the hands he would continue with. I think it's a slam dunk. You can even continue on many rivers.

For the river x/c, the problem with your exact hand is that it blocks all of V's bluffs. Tx and Ahx are the most obvious bluffing candidates.

If this guy is an improving player, I could see him betting 77 like this for 3-streets half pot, making a small bluff on the river. So a river call is pretty close.

If V bets 77-55, T9 this way, but also 99, A8, K8s, Q8s... to 89, he's got 30 bluff combos and 21 value.... I mean yea it's profitable. I guess the problem is with the rest of the hand!
 
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I don't know who V is, but I think the bluff is too optimistic despite the result.
 
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c0rnBr34d

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Hey c0rnBr34d, hope you are well.

In my local games the rake is too damn high to justify a flat with ATo even in the BB. 4-way and out of position it's going to be hard to make a profit.

But forgetting rake I'd even muck OTF. But assuming we can profitably float there, I'd raise the turn for sure! You are going to get him to fold a lot of stuff with equity, get him off a chop, and you can put pressure on his lower pocket pairs. Your hand has enough equity to pull off a turn xr, and you block many of the hands he would continue with. I think it's a slam dunk. You can even continue on many rivers.

For the river x/c, the problem with your exact hand is that it blocks all of V's bluffs. Tx and Ahx are the most obvious bluffing candidates.

If this guy is an improving player, I could see him betting 77 like this for 3-streets half pot, making a small bluff on the river. So a river call is pretty close.

If V bets 77-55, T9 this way, but also 99, A8, K8s, Q8s... to 89, he's got 30 bluff combos and 21 value.... I mean yea it's profitable. I guess the problem is with the rest of the hand!
Sup Lofa! How you been? I'm good, thanks.

Yea I know it's a fold pre but we lacked some discipline this hand (the Vs calls rub off on me sometimes lol). If we take this flop against this V I think we have to be willing to float over cards with back doors at some frequency. Absolutely agree with turn x/r, these are the spots I somehow miss in real time that tank my aggression factor. There is some merit to keeping him wide and not blowing him off his air but I think it needs to be a mixed strategy and I'm way too unbalanced here. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
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