$20 NLHE 6-max: TPSK; Logic Check

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Shot taking this level for a few days; well rolled for the level; so far playing really well. I like this line and my reads but I'm just not sure its right;

Everleaf, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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Hero (BB): $39.40 (197 bb)
CO: $2.55 (12.7 bb)
BTN: $35.50 (177.5 bb)
SB: $34.23 (171.1 bb)
Preflop: Hero is BB with J
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CO folds, BTN raises to $0.70, SB calls $0.60, Hero calls $0.50
Flop: ($2.10) T
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8
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J
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SB checks, Hero bets $2, BTN raises to $4.60, SB folds, Hero calls $2.60
Turn: ($11.30) 8
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Hero bets $7, BTN calls $7
River: ($25.30) 5
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Hero ?????

Ok, so on the flop TP, with a strong kicker, board is draw heavy, BTN has a very wide range and is using his position. . ..
i just read about donk betting (turn>), and figured now was a good scenario to give it a try, and to take a non-standard line.

Him smoothing the turn (flatting) made me narrow his range even more; does he flat here w/ QQ? KK?; to me that is not in flatting range. . .but idk, given my tale image there is no way i'm playing Q9 in BB, the line I took here may have confused him,

but w/ J10, 88+ (in villains range), i am not smooth calling here w/ that draw heavy of a board

my line would have been B/F; but now I am thinking value bet the shitz out of the river (that 5 changes nothing here). . .thoughts?. .

I only had 132 hands at the table, and on the villain. . .so its a lol sample size. but he seems like a bad to average level 1 or 2 thinker. . .imo.
 
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Can you stove the range you gave him on that board against hit hand?
 
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Can you stove the range you gave him on that board against hit hand?
Yes, its really straight forward for the most part; turn range (imho)= QJ; KJ; AQ; AK; A10; 109; J9; K10 Q10; [pp 10s:eek: ].
I just don't see this particular villain letting me barrel into him and just smoothing (flatting) if he has the nuts on the turn. unless he has quads or pp 10s????????
 
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But the line you took by donking the turn after the flop raise makes your range look so much stronger than it really is.I might of flat called the turn with AJ,QQ+ myself because your line looked so strong.
 
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Is that his Flop raise range or his preflop range?
 
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Why would he raise aq/at? Also can you stove that range against your hand
 
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He says thats villains range on the turn but it's hard for me to believe villain would be raising with mid pair shity kicker,gut shot type of hands.
 
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i dont like it much, here's the range I give him, let me know what you think:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.807% 60.64% 04.17% 507849 34938.00 { TT+, 88, AJs, KTs+, QJs, Q9s, J9s+, T8s+, AJo, KTo+, QJo, Q9o, JTo }
Hand 1: 35.193% 31.02% 04.17% 259815 34938.00 { KJo }

obv i think he raises draws
 
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IMO the way we play this changes as we are deep, 100BB I dont mind donk/shipping if hes that bad + aggro.

I c/c to keep SB's weaker range in Tx/weaker Js/9x/8x if you donk he may raise air and fold them out 3 way.

EDIT: read the hand wrong, b/f like 12
 
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Bet $7 on the river.

agreed. . . .perfect. . . imho. . . .we bet 7$ here as a value becuz we are priced in, and IF we are WB, my original line of B/F is solid; if villain raises its easy fold imo.



Hero bets $7.50, BTN calls $7.50
 
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If your betting for value $7 is shit though.What is wrong with b\f ~1\2pot?
 
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cuz folding getting like 4-1 sucks balls.
 
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but betting $7 into a pot of $25 for value doesn't?
 
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he's probably calling $7 with a lot more of his inferior hands
 
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yes

imo 7$ here lets middle, and lesser J's call; remember its for value

1/2 pot; imo folds out?????
 
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The river doesn't matter, its the preflop, flop, and turn that I'm like "whaaa?"

1) I think squeezing has a lot of merit here, especially if your opponents don't suck.

2) Why'd you donk the flop?

3) Donking the turn seems reasonable to me, but its actually a bad card for you.

4) River is like, whatever, you're so committed at that point.
 
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His range is mostly very weak with a ton of busted straight draws, some hands with marginal showdown value and very rarely AJ+.

+1 to squeezing pre
 
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