$2 NLHE Full Ring: Folding TPTK to turn shove

[GreenDaddy1]

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
BTN: 187 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 2)
SB: 269.5 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
BB: 121 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG: 51 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
UTG+1: 131 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
MP: 148 BB (VPIP: 18.07, PFR: 13.25, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 86)
MP+1: 121 BB (VPIP: 5.13, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
Hero (MP+2): 140.5 BB
CO: 52 BB (VPIP: 15.09, PFR: 3.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ K♥
fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 3 BB, MP+1 calls 3 BB
Flop: (12.5 BB, 3 players) Q♣ K♣ 5♥
BB checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets 9 BB, BB calls 9 BB, fold
Turn: (30.5 BB, 2 players) J♦
BB checks, Hero bets 20.5 BB, BB raises to 108 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 69 BB


Not much beats me here, and I have small number of outs to improve, but I really didn't like that shove. What do you think of this fold with TPTK?

 

[Hujiko]

What can the BB have he called you pre-flop and on the flop. Would give him at least one pair or a straight draw on the flop.

The turn comes a J making the board very wet with KQJ which hits yours and villains range very good.

Think your fold is correct.

 

[quant1986]

You have Ac and it blocks some good bluff candidates. BB check-shove on the turn is very strong so I would put him on AT,KQ,55 or overplayed KJ that still beats you.

If villain is very good and at higher stake game, I think he could have 6c5c,KTo as bluff hands.

 

[John A]

Nh. Not sure what you mean by not much beats you though. A lot of hands beat you and you have TPTK. Ez fold in this spot.

 

[TenJack]

Easy fold, not much we beat here at all. I honestly probably chck back the turn and hope for a T or a blank on the river. We don't have a 3-street value hand so might as well cut the losses now.

 

[GreenDaddy1]

When you say we don't have a 3-street value hand, are you arriving at that decision due to the board texture being so wet and hitting villain's range well? So, if it was a K 7 2 rainbow board is our TPTK worth 3 streets, provided nothing arrives on the turn or river to change our outlook?


And yeah saying not much beats me was a bit flippant on reflection, assuming a reasonable BB calling range. I do think though there is potentially some junk in his range, but calling the flop c bet indicates some sort of connection so I need to be narrowing villain down a bit at that point.

 

[Hujiko]

When you say we don't have a 3-street value hand, are you arriving at that decision due to the board texture being so wet and hitting villain's range well? So, if it was a K 7 2 rainbow board is our TPTK worth 3 streets, provided nothing arrives on the turn or river to change our outlook?


And yeah saying not much beats me was a bit flippant on reflection, assuming a reasonable BB calling range. I do think though there is potentially some junk in his range, but calling the flop c bet indicates some sort of connection so I need to be narrowing villain down a bit at that point.

I would say that top pair top kicker is indeed a two street value hand on a wet (multiple high cards) board on a dry board I might go for three streets of value.

Of course how many streets value you should bet also depends on your opponent and on the game your in.