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JackOscar
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Silver Level
So I think this hand is actually more interesting from the perspective of the Villian but we can start from my side.
First of all I think I made a mistake 4-betting here in the first place, I definitely should have just flatted. CO 3-Bet against MP is probably pretty unlikely to be light (or so you'd think) especially since he made it 4x so I'm probably just always getting flatted here or re-raised all in at which point it's even more unlikely he's light and that's just a bad spot for me. So the only thing I'm raising for value is AA,KK probably and I don't really want a bluffing range here so best to just flat everything I think?
Moving away from that, when I do 4-bet here I think I definitely should have made it bigger since the effective stack size is very large so he's getting much better implied odds than usual and can therefor call with speculative hands (assuming he has them in his range) he would've otherwise had to folded if I made it bigger like 3x or 3.5x.
For my bet sizing post flop I pretty much just tried to set it up for a potential river shove (so I probably made the flop/turn bets if that was my goal since I would easily have a river bet with smaller sizing, but I think that's not a huge concern). Should I have been less aggressive here to give respect to the KK,AA (and JJ) which should be a decent portion of his range here?
If another blank came on the river and he checked I probably would've checked back, and if a K or A came I would've shoved hoping he had something like AJs.
Now, from the Villian's perspective:
His 3-bet and 3-Bet sizing feel really bad for the reasons I outlined above, but I think his call to my 4-Bet is probably +EV because he's getting really good implied odds like I said. Calling the flop with the gutshot and backdoor flush draw as a float feels fine as well, if a scare card hits the turn and I check he could probably try to steal the pot here I think?
Now when the 8 of spades hit on the turn giving him 15 outs to what I'm pretty sure is always the nuts I think this is a perfect spot for him to check-raise all in. I'm not even sure what I'm calling with in that spot, maybe just KK and AA or JJ (which probably isn't in my range), definitely never calling with worse than AK so I think that was a huge missed opportunity for him. I think he has a lot of fold equity here either way to go along with his heaps of actual equity.
As played on the river I don't think the ace of diamonds is a very good bluffing card for him since it's probably pretty likely it improved my hand and he doesn't have enough left behind at this point anyway for me to ever consider a fold anyway I think, the turn was definitely the time to shove I think.
So this turned into a lot of a longer post than I thought, but hopefully there's someone out there that wants to read some of it. Would love some feedback on my thought process here and if I should have done anything different, the stuff I mentioned or otherwise.
888Poker Snap, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
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KILYROCK113 (UTG): $3.25 (163 bb)
Skylorun (MP): $2.59 (130 bb)
Drando14 (CO): $4.21 (211 bb)
JackOscar95 (BU): $4.41 (221 bb)
Transfarmer (SB): $2.16 (108 bb)
carlosfile (BB): $0.34 (17 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero (JackOscar95) is BTN with K♥ A♣
1 fold, Skylorun (MP) raises to $0.05, Drando14 (CO) 3-bets to $0.20, JackOscar95 (BU) 4-bets to $0.50, 3 players fold, Drando14 (CO) calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.08) J♠ K♣ 4♦ (2 players)
Drando14 (CO) checks, JackOscar95 (BU) bets $0.44, Drando14 (CO) calls $0.44
Turn: ($1.96) 8♠ (2 players)
Drando14 (CO) checks, JackOscar95 (BU) bets $0.96, Drando14 (CO) calls $0.96
River: ($3.88) A♦ (2 players)
Drando14 (CO) bets $2.31 (all-in), JackOscar95 (BU) calls $2.31
Total pot: $8.50 (Rake: $0.53)
Showdown:
Drando14 (CO) shows 9♠ T♠ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 22%, Turn: 34%, River: 0%)
JackOscar95 (BU) shows K♥ A♣ (two pair, Aces and Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 78%, Turn: 66%, River: 100%)
JackOscar95 (BU) wins $7.97
First of all I think I made a mistake 4-betting here in the first place, I definitely should have just flatted. CO 3-Bet against MP is probably pretty unlikely to be light (or so you'd think) especially since he made it 4x so I'm probably just always getting flatted here or re-raised all in at which point it's even more unlikely he's light and that's just a bad spot for me. So the only thing I'm raising for value is AA,KK probably and I don't really want a bluffing range here so best to just flat everything I think?
Moving away from that, when I do 4-bet here I think I definitely should have made it bigger since the effective stack size is very large so he's getting much better implied odds than usual and can therefor call with speculative hands (assuming he has them in his range) he would've otherwise had to folded if I made it bigger like 3x or 3.5x.
For my bet sizing post flop I pretty much just tried to set it up for a potential river shove (so I probably made the flop/turn bets if that was my goal since I would easily have a river bet with smaller sizing, but I think that's not a huge concern). Should I have been less aggressive here to give respect to the KK,AA (and JJ) which should be a decent portion of his range here?
If another blank came on the river and he checked I probably would've checked back, and if a K or A came I would've shoved hoping he had something like AJs.
Now, from the Villian's perspective:
His 3-bet and 3-Bet sizing feel really bad for the reasons I outlined above, but I think his call to my 4-Bet is probably +EV because he's getting really good implied odds like I said. Calling the flop with the gutshot and backdoor flush draw as a float feels fine as well, if a scare card hits the turn and I check he could probably try to steal the pot here I think?
Now when the 8 of spades hit on the turn giving him 15 outs to what I'm pretty sure is always the nuts I think this is a perfect spot for him to check-raise all in. I'm not even sure what I'm calling with in that spot, maybe just KK and AA or JJ (which probably isn't in my range), definitely never calling with worse than AK so I think that was a huge missed opportunity for him. I think he has a lot of fold equity here either way to go along with his heaps of actual equity.
As played on the river I don't think the ace of diamonds is a very good bluffing card for him since it's probably pretty likely it improved my hand and he doesn't have enough left behind at this point anyway for me to ever consider a fold anyway I think, the turn was definitely the time to shove I think.
So this turned into a lot of a longer post than I thought, but hopefully there's someone out there that wants to read some of it. Would love some feedback on my thought process here and if I should have done anything different, the stuff I mentioned or otherwise.
888Poker Snap, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
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KILYROCK113 (UTG): $3.25 (163 bb)
Skylorun (MP): $2.59 (130 bb)
Drando14 (CO): $4.21 (211 bb)
JackOscar95 (BU): $4.41 (221 bb)
Transfarmer (SB): $2.16 (108 bb)
carlosfile (BB): $0.34 (17 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero (JackOscar95) is BTN with K♥ A♣
1 fold, Skylorun (MP) raises to $0.05, Drando14 (CO) 3-bets to $0.20, JackOscar95 (BU) 4-bets to $0.50, 3 players fold, Drando14 (CO) calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.08) J♠ K♣ 4♦ (2 players)
Drando14 (CO) checks, JackOscar95 (BU) bets $0.44, Drando14 (CO) calls $0.44
Turn: ($1.96) 8♠ (2 players)
Drando14 (CO) checks, JackOscar95 (BU) bets $0.96, Drando14 (CO) calls $0.96
River: ($3.88) A♦ (2 players)
Drando14 (CO) bets $2.31 (all-in), JackOscar95 (BU) calls $2.31
Total pot: $8.50 (Rake: $0.53)
Showdown:
Drando14 (CO) shows 9♠ T♠ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 22%, Turn: 34%, River: 0%)
JackOscar95 (BU) shows K♥ A♣ (two pair, Aces and Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 78%, Turn: 66%, River: 100%)
JackOscar95 (BU) wins $7.97