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Vs Villains sizing i probably don't have much fold equity but never say never and JJ likely has around the same ev as QQ or AK from these positions and i'm never folding those hands.So how do you proceed with JJ from these positions is folding to tight ? and is calling 4bets with JJ a good idea ?.I haven't previously employed a flatting range vs 4bets as it wasn't really a popular strategy in the past especially 100bb deep.
Villain
vpip/prf/3bet
27/15/0
Hands 27
Thank you.
CO: $2.29 (114.5 bb)
BTN: $1.01 (50.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $3.22 (161 bb)
BB: $2.52 (126 bb)
UTG: $2.38 (119 bb)
MP: $1.99 (99.5 bb)
Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts $0.02
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has J♣ J♦
2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, fold, Hero raises to $0.24, fold, CO raises to $0.68, Hero ?
Hello there Fvendal thanks a lot for sharing your hand. Pretty good one. Now, we know we are playing 2 NLHE for a while. You have a small size of hands (27) but this numbers indicates passivity, because the difference between VPIP and PFR is too large: VPIP 27, PFR 15 (gap of 12!) you will rarely see a good regular, even in a short-term hands like that (27 hands sample), with such a great gap between VPIP and PFR.
Now, Villain's 3bet Preflop is 0 but, for the sample of hands we cannot say for sure that it is only 3betting values, as it looks like.
CO raises to 3x and you raise to 4x. I like your raise here. I like the size too. And I like to call down hands such as 88-QQ depending on:
A) Who is the Villain who open raised in position?
B) Who is the Villain in the Big Blind? Is it more likely to call if I call from the SB?
C) How big are their stacks in comparison to mine (if every player has 150 BB + of effective stack)
In the long run both calling and 3betting are okay, but we gotta be aware that the CO opens a very wide range and most of times a 4x 3bet will scary the hell of Villain's range and it will fold most of his low pocket pairs, some mid pairs as 66, 77, sometimes even 88, if the Big Blind doesn't call, all of his weak Broadways. Regulars will fold. Recreational will call down with 22 a 4x 3bet to see a flop and try to setmine.
By the same line of thinking, when you make a 4x 3bet you gotta expect that Villain will call you with a stronger range and 4bet you with a even stronger range as well. (it is not an EP raise, so there's nothing to worry about)
How to observe polarization Preflop?
So, you made a very decent 3bet size preflop, right? 4x does not give Villain in the CO too many
odds for calling/4betting with less then QQ and AQs. And Villain in the CO decided to 4bet you A HUGE SIZING! Yes, I see that 2.83x upon your 3bet size is very hard to pay. I would fold that and never going all-in, even versus very recreational players (unless his stack size is too short in relation to ours).
Villain in the CO polarizes his range a lot with this 2.83x 4bet In position x 4x 3bet Out of position.
Specially a passive player as this one we are playing with. When CO 4bets SB that sizing, it is representing AKs, AA and KK. Even QQ I guess some crazy guys will call or fold, and both lines are correct. (at 2 NLHE).
SO, when we 3bet CO in the first place we will have TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AKs, AQs, AJs, and some bluffs as A5s-A2s, KQs sometimes. A 3bet coming from the SB represents a very strong range, because there is a chance of playing out of position against two players (If Big Blinds decides to call and CO too). Capped range? SB will call and 3bet always very strong hands? What do you think?
However, when the CO 4bets, it will have all the AA, KK, AKs and sometimes QQ and the SB will have none in their range.
So, giving this condition where Villain makes a huge 4bet Preflop, that could only be paid and got 5bets from a very similar polarized value range, or better. When CO has KK and AKs and 4bets the SB, and the SB comes with a 5bet/Shove it is not an easy call, and a very hard fold for many players at the field.
Nevertheless, considering a range of possibilities, without never run out of other possibilities, if the Villain in the CO had a stack size of 150 BB, your call will be a little bit better, because no matter what it has it will pay SB at least two streets of value (depending on board texture and player) or even three streets of value. Yes, if CO has AA, KK, QQ, it will not leave many flops and turns, unless if you are unlucky to get a very coordinate and drawie-connected flop/turn. By the same token, a 99, TT, JJ and QQ, that could be hands in the SB's calling and 3betting range, will see an overcard 50% of times.
Having information of the behavior of passive players at the tables, we known that they like to put a lot a chips in the middle when they have AKs, AA and KK Preflop, and they are praying to be paid for worse hands such as AQs, QQ, JJ etc. When this passive player 4bets you, it is very polarized to value, and it will have a lot of ace combos which SB have none, except many combos of AJs, that would hardly be in a 4betting light range of a tight passive players, as this example looks like.
Summarizing, nice fold!
Regards;
Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa
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