10NL; SB special flopped nuts

royalburrito24

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How would we approach this hand readless?
Is it better to bet out and let the flush draws call down and hopefully hit? Or is a check-raise going to get more value out of our hands?

full tilt poker Game #5885546767: Table Divinity - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:01:37 ET - 2008/04/02
Seat 1: Dinie75 ($1.35)
Seat 2: Bassmanbri ($10.85)
Seat 3: Random06 ($3.80)
Seat 4: __dubHut_masta ($3.80)
Seat 5: disboy47 ($9.70)
Seat 6: TheHustlerBabe ($3.40)
Seat 7: Zoomka ($0), is sitting out
Seat 8: Meday ($3.60)
Seat 9: royalburrito24 ($17.20)
royalburrito24 posts the small blind of $0.05
Dinie75 posts the big blind of $0.10
Zoomka stands up
TheHustlerBabe posts a dead small blind of $0.05
TheHustlerBabe posts $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to royalburrito24 [6c Kc]
Bassmanbri folds
Random06 calls $0.10
__dubHut_masta calls $0.10
disboy47 folds
TheHustlerBabe checks
Meday calls $0.10
royalburrito24 calls $0.05
Dinie75 checks
*** FLOP *** [Jc Ac 7c] NUTS
royalburrito24 ??
 
ChuckTs

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Just bet it. You'll get action from all types of pair/two pair/draw/whatever hands, you want to protect against the hands that can outdraw you, and you don't want to have your action killed by a fourth club. Bet bet bet.
 
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I dont see how he can protect against a hand that will outdraw him. I cant imagine two pair or a set are really going to fold here.

I do agree to bet out though, if nobody has anything what can you do, people may not put you on a made flush since everyone loves check raising, and maybe calls a few bets, or if someone hit a set or two pair i would imagine you get a raise anyway.
 
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I dont see how he can protect against a hand that will outdraw him. I cant imagine two pair or a set are really going to fold here.

:confused: "Protect" doesn't mean forcing them to fold. It simply means we bet enough to give them bad odds on their call, ie force them to make a mistake. We still want them to call, but not cheaply.
 
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How much should we be betting into the pot here?
-full pot?
-3/4 pot?
-1/2 pot?
-min raise? lmao
 
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i think something like 1/2 pot to 3/4 pot will be best here if u were going to bet it, so something like 30c
pot might be too big and may push out the marginal hands and just not getting enuff value min betting
 
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10nl is very straight forward. Just look at the hand, figure out what you want to do and take the action that best accomplishes that goal.

Here we want to get as much money in the middle as possible, so pot it. There's no trickiness involved in the micros - just straight value bet your big hands.
 
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I think a check call or check raise is much better here than betting out.

"you want to protect against the hands that can outdraw you"

His hand is so strong it's very unlikey he'll be outdrawn. The only way he can be outdrawn is if someone has a set (it would have to be 77 here since JJ or AA would raise pf) and the board pairs, it's very unlikely you're even up against a set here. And betting from the SB into many active players shows very big strength when if fact you are very strong.
 
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2 pair could also outdraw. The board pairing at all would be considered very scary.
 
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Really depends on the other players in the game.

I'd probably agree with just potting it, or maybe even overbetting the pot. It's probably got greater deception value than making a more value-sized 1/2 or 3/4 pot bet, assuming anyone's paying any attention to things like the hands you're representing (don't have enough experience at this level to know exactly what the play is like).

Guess it's just a shame you've only got the short stacks involved here.
 
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I was sweating Chuck the last day when a very similar hand came up on nl$50. We both quickly agreed that the best line of action was to bet, and Chuck managed to win a stack from it.

These hands just need to be bet, the nl$10 player has an inane ablilty to misread strong hands that were bet out, and give less credit almost because they "expect" you to slowplay a hand as strong as a flopped nut flush. I just bet out, and as Chuck said expect to get action from sets/2 pair even top pair type hands.
 
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Just bet it. You'll get action from all types of pair/two pair/draw/whatever hands, you want to protect against the hands that can outdraw you, and you don't want to have your action killed by a fourth club. Bet bet bet.

As Chuck said, just bet it now and try and build the pot whilst you have a chance. That's a great flop for your hand, but if your opponents dont have an Ace or Q of clubs the hand's probably dead already. 40c-50c and hope for a caller - if they call you can bet again on the river into a bigger pot.
 
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A pot sized bet will also be more often construed as TP trying to force out the flush draws. If you bet it they will call.
 
ChuckTs

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I think a check call or check raise is much better here than betting out.

Why? Writing this down serves no purpose to the people trying to learn from the thread. Give reasoning.

"you want to protect against the hands that can outdraw you"

His hand is so strong it's very unlikey he'll be outdrawn. The only way he can be outdrawn is if someone has a set (it would have to be 77 here since JJ or AA would raise pf) and the board pairs, it's very unlikely you're even up against a set here. And betting from the SB into many active players shows very big strength when if fact you are very strong.


Yep, you're right that it's unlikely but the fact that there are hands out there that can outdraw you is just another argument to bet. Showing strength is fine; 10nl players see their cards and act accordingly, they don't pay attention to you PSB'ing into 3 people.

The point is this is an action board, your opponents are likely to call you down, the turn could kill your action or your hand, so why not just bet it? BUILD THE POT
 
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I think, especially in a limped/multiway pot at this level, you just hope someone either caught some kind of a hand that will go with you (Ax with a club, 77, J7/A7) and you bet out with some degree of strength. If there is, you maximize your winnings this time.

If not, you weren't likely to get much of anything anyways, and the times that you max your winnings will offset the times you slowplay and play it weakly hoping to get a few more chips.


The other option is to overplay it, overbet the pot trying to rep just the Kc or a really low flush or two pair and hope that someone reads it as such and tries to take it away from you. Although I think this works better at lower buyins, or in the case of Tilt, at the low SnGs.
 
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I am glad this thread created so much discussion. It is what I like to see. I ended up potting it as suggested, and everyone folded.
I posted this because I thought that I may have lost some potential customers with such a large bet.
Thanks guys (and girls).
This one really helped a lot.
 
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