10NL Low Flopped Flush vs Raise

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bw07507

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Obvious shove here right?? I am overthinking this one I think, but I just cant seem to see what check raises this flop other than a made flush, maybe AsJ. I would think a set would lead here, but then again its 10NL so really any hand is possible.

Villain is 45/22.5/.8 over 40 hands

I have been fairly LAG at 23/18/7.5, but I have been hitting hands

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

SB ($12.35)
BB ($7.35)
UTG ($14.20)
MP ($2.85)
Hero ($13.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with
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2 folds, Hero raises to $0.3, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.70)
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SB checks, Hero bets $0.6, SB raises to $3, Hero ?
 
NineLions

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45/22.5/.8; .8 includes the 22.5 doesn't it? So if he's 22.5/.8, almost all of the aggression is preflop? I really should know this. :(


Even still, the likelihood of you having a flush is small so he could have JT/JJ/TT/88, or, loose as he is preflop, A9 with either the A or 9 of spades. Ya, I think I'm shoving this.
 
ChuckTs

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I think this is a pretty clear push. There are plenty of hands (see AJ, Asx, KQ, sets, two pairs, other hands) that will call, you're clearly ahead at this point and last but not least you want to charge the draws.

nl,

You've pretty much got it correct, but I don't think total aggression factors into the preflop aggression. Usually for pf aggression we look at PFR%, and for postflop we look at TA, and AFs for each street respectively.

Anyways, ya this guy is way more aggressive preflop than postflop which means he's way more likely to actually have a hand here (usually 0.8 isn't aggressive enough to ch-r KsQx for example), but even so we should be getting our money in. We've also only got a small sample size so we can't base too much of our decision on that.

Clear push imo anyways.
 
NineLions

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nl,

You've pretty much got it correct, but I don't think total aggression factors into the preflop aggression. Usually for pf aggression we look at PFR%, and for postflop we look at TA, and AFs for each street respectively.

I think by default it's the other way, is it not? That TA includes PFR, so if his TA is low but PFR is high, then flop/turn/river he's really non-aggressive since most of the aggression is coming PF.


Although on second thought that may not carry through. If he's really loose but also raises a lot of them, then he's also calling a lot preflop so maybe it's the ratio between PFR and VP$IP that will affect TA. I should probably search PT's forum for clarification the various ratios interact.
 
ChuckTs

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I'm almost sure that AF factors is the average of flop, turn and river AFs, each of which are (calls+checks)/(bets+raises) for their respective street and that PFR% isn't factored in.
 
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I'm almost sure that AF factors is the average of flop, turn and river AFs, each of which are (calls+checks)/(bets+raises) for their respective street and that PFR% isn't factored in.

Right, AF = postflop aggression factor.
 
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Guess everyone is done commenting on the hand.

I shoved and villain flipped over Q9 of hearts for the straight and I took down a nice pot.
 
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