$10NL 6-max: Lets get Laggy

c9h13no3

c9h13no3

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So yeah, I'm retarded. I play stupid loose at the limits where playing tight will earn you plenty of cash. But what can I say, I like the swings.

And to be fully honest, a lot of players at these limits just let me run right the hell over them. So since I enjoy running them over, I figured I'd try to get better at it by posting some hands here:

My stats were about 35%VPIP, 29%PFR for my image purposes.

Hand #1

Hero is at seat 0 with $29.89.
Range ball is at seat 1 with $10.49. - I've been abusing him a lot, comments that I raise too much in the chat box.
The button is at seat 1.

Silversix posts the small blind of $.05.
divaofpoker posts the big blind of $.10.

Hero: :10d4: :qs4:

Pre-flop:

HurriKane15 folds. Hero raises to $.30. Range
ball calls. Silversix folds. divaofpoker folds.

Flop (board: :9c4: :ac4: :5h4:):

Hero bets $.65. Range ball raises to $1.30.
Hero re-raises to $5.15.

Good time to snap off a weak attempt to play back at me, or does he want my money?

Hand #2

Hero is at seat 2 with $27.94.
freakdogg313 is at seat 4 with $17.42. - Has folded top pair to other's aggression before (and shown it). Knows how to c-bet.
The button is at seat 3.

freakdogg313 posts the small blind of $.05.
BingoFred posts the big blind of $.10.

Hero: :4d4: :7d4:

Pre-flop:

Big Ebes calls. Hero raises to $.45. donniedain
calls. freakdogg313 re-raises to $1.55. BingoFred
folds. Big Ebes folds. Hero calls. donniedain
folds.

Flop (board: :3c4: :5c4: :9h4:):

freakdogg313 bets $2.50. Hero raises to $6.
freakdogg313 calls.

Turn (board: :3c4: :5c4: :9h4: :as4:):

freakdogg313 checks. Hero bets $10.

Good time to put him all in? Scare card hits, and I turn more outs. Or should we be checking behind? Bad flop raise? If AK/AQ makes up most of his 3-betting range, then is raising flop a good way to shut him down?


Hand #3

Craigieboi is at seat 1 with $7.30. - Fairly nitty player, but has been stealing blinds on a regular basis. No other reads.
Hero is at seat 2 with $9.90.
The button is at seat 1.

grift1 posts the small blind of $.05.
elt963 posts the big blind of $.10.

grift1: :kh4: :3h4:

Pre-flop:

fudd21 folds. 0929 folds. Craigieboi raises to
$.40. Hero re-raises to $1.55. elt963 folds.
Craigieboi calls.

Flop (board: :8h4: :ks4: :4d4:):

Hero checks. Craigieboi checks.

Turn (board: :8h4: :ks4: :4d4: :5c4:):

Hero checks. Craigieboi checks.

River (board: :8h4: :ks4: :4d4: :5c4: :10h4:):

Hero bets $2.

Bet the turn? Should we be calling preflop instead for implied odds? Is his stack large enough to make this 3-bet with?
 
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c9h13no3

c9h13no3

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Ugh. Just had a rough session tonight. Remind me not to bluff scare cards, because people just don't get it. Also, remind me not to bluff when my image is totally shot. This being laggy thing is like the swingy-est thing on the planet. I go up 9 buy-ins last night, tonight I drop 5. Wheeee
 
KyleJRM

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As always, I preface this by saying that if any better players than me disagree, I humbly accept it.


The first hand, to me, looks like a classic overthinking example. You are playing too many levels ahead of your opponents' thinking. It's easy to get too caught up in table image at microstakes. (I catch myself thinking sometimes "Dang it, that's the third flop that hit me in the last five hands. Now they'll think I'm betting too much and I'll lose my c-betting capabilities. Stupid good cards...").


LAG is about catching your opponents when they seem weak and taking down the pot with a well-timed bet. Where was the weakness in a pre-flop call and a post-flop reraise? If he calls, you are presumably toast to anything he could ealistically have outside of some weird suited connector drawing to the flush. You have no real outs except runner/runner straight if he's got any hand at all.

By my math there is $2.70 already in the pot, and you put another $4.50 out there to try to win it. He's got to call another $3.85 to win $8.20. That means you've given him a pretty easy decision. Unless he thinks he is a 2:1 dog in the remainder of the hand, he's got to call. Assuming you lose if he calls, you need him to fold something like 60-65% of the time to make this a profitable bet. If you've really got a good read that he's likely to fold, then this is +EV, but for the most part I doubt that's the case.

Hand 2 is just spew. The idea is that you've got a read that says this opponent is weak and can be bullied.

You tried to bully him pre-flop, he pushed back.

You tried to bully him post-flop, he pushed back.

You have absolutely nothing. He's already committed almost half his stack to this hand, and pushed back twice when you tried to bully him. Until that check, he's given absolutely no indication of weakness. And a check at that point could as easily mean a trap as it could a draw hoping for a free card.

Hand #3 you are 3-betting light out of position. I'm no LAG expert, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that just looks like more spew to me. But once you got to the turn, you should have been betting I would think. What did you want to happen when you played K4? Short of KK4 or KKK or 444, hitting the King and having him give you no indication of strength is about the best thing you could have been hoping for.
 
Munchrs

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As always, I preface this by saying that if any better players than me disagree, I humbly accept it.


The first hand, to me, looks like a classic overthinking example. You are playing too many levels ahead of your opponents' thinking. It's easy to get too caught up in table image at microstakes. (I catch myself thinking sometimes "Dang it, that's the third flop that hit me in the last five hands. Now they'll think I'm betting too much and I'll lose my c-betting capabilities. Stupid good cards...").

LAG is about catching your opponents when they seem weak and taking down the pot with a well-timed bet. Where was the weakness in a pre-flop call and a post-flop reraise? If he calls, you are presumably toast to anything he could ealistically have outside of some weird suited connector drawing to the flush. You have no real outs except runner/runner straight if he's got any hand at all.

By my math there is $2.70 already in the pot, and you put another $4.50 out there to try to win it. He's got to call another $3.85 to win $8.20. That means you've given him a pretty easy decision. Unless he thinks he is a 2:1 dog in the remainder of the hand, he's got to call. Assuming you lose if he calls, you need him to fold something like 60-65% of the time to make this a profitable bet. If you've really got a good read that he's likely to fold, then this is +EV, but for the most part I doubt that's the case.

Hand 2 is just spew. The idea is that you've got a read that says this opponent is weak and can be bullied.

You tried to bully him pre-flop, he pushed back.

You tried to bully him post-flop, he pushed back.

You have absolutely nothing. He's already committed almost half his stack to this hand, and pushed back twice when you tried to bully him. Until that check, he's given absolutely no indication of weakness. And a check at that point could as easily mean a trap as it could a draw hoping for a free card.

Hand #3 you are 3-betting light out of position. I'm no LAG expert, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that just looks like more spew to me. But once you got to the turn, you should have been betting I would think. What did you want to happen when you played K4? Short of KK4 or KKK or 444, hitting the King and having him give you no indication of strength is about the best thing you could have been hoping for.

pretty much everthing in red. Learn to utilize controlled aggression not just random bet bet raising.
 
c9h13no3

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Hmmm, I suppose you guys hate all of this :(

All of it worked, just for the record. But results don't matter. Hand #1, villain folded, in hand #2, villain folded showing TT, and hand #3 villain called with a bare AQ (wtf).

I can accept that the first two hands are spew, that's kinda why I posted them. Usually when my image turns bad, I just adjust & take their money. But this time, I just decided to take things to the next level ^_^.

The third hand, however, I kinda like. We have a blind stealer who is likely to have little, and who is unlikely to play back at us on the flop without a hand. And my image is still pretty good.

The reason for all the passivity is its a simple WA/WB situation. Sure I'm OOP, but there aren't really any draws on the board to a better hand. And the longer I wait in the hand, the more likely it will be that I'm called with less.
 
Munchrs

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hey, if its working for you then keep doing it! dont take advice that will mean you win less money.
 
c9h13no3

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hey, if its working for you then keep doing it! dont take advice that will mean you win less money.
Worked*

It worked this time. Doesn't mean its going to keep *working*. So hence why I'm looking for feedback.

The second hand, I don't like the flop raise much at all. What would I raise the flop with that has an ace in it as well? To me, it just doesn't make much sense. He'd have to put me on a set, or aces for that line to fit, and that's a pretty narrow range to put a guy with an insano image on.

And the real problem is this is all very read dependant. Some opponents pick up on my image very quickly. Other times, players will be calling me a maniac, and other players at the table keep letting me 3-bet them off of hands. So a lot of it just has to do with my ability to judge how others are percieving my play.
 
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IMO i wouldnt be applying this much pressure, but Leatherass one of the stox coaches says he used to run at 29/26 at 1/2 nl as he was appling a shit load of pressure and just trying to pound the shit out of people.

Its not the norm, so the feedback is going to be a bit worped, afaik
 
KyleJRM

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In order, I thought 3 was the best, 1 was next, and 2 was the worst.

I'm not an expert on LAG, so maybe those are just really aggressive but standard LAG plays. The aggression is through the roof, though, and presumably better players would notice.
 
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