ChuckTs
Legend
Silver Level
You don't know what this guy has and you don't know for sure if he's going to continuation bet.
Of course we don't, but we know what type of range he's on, and that range will almost always c-bet based on how he played pf.
It's possible he was making a play preflop and now he has a gutshot straight draw or open ended straight draw or flush draw.
And he could also have done it with 84 offsuit for top two pair - QUICK! Fold your hand ASAP!
The point is that he most likely has a big pair or AQ/AK here, and the ideal play against that range is to ch-r all in on the flop as played pf.
And if you push he'll probably call with QQ JJ 10 10 or 99 anyway.
Probably, but there's still a significant chance TT/99 can get away at that point.
You're also ignoring just how bad open shoving here vs AK/AQ is.
You have no solid reasoning here, ben. Everything you're saying just alludes to your fear of being outdrawn by hands that are so unlikely to be in his range, or to actually outdraw you (shoving to protect vs 3 outs is ridiculous).
Protecting our hand here isn't our objective - getting value is.
btw Jagsti, I think you played this hand perfectly. I also think 4-betting/shoving pf is fine, but this is clearly a higher EV line in my opinion. nh sir.