$100NL hand QQ vs 4-bet shove.

joosebuck

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5-bet sorry, shouldnt really be posting while im playing anyway :)

I just felt after seeing him play JJ the exact same way earlier on that I was ahead of his range. I can see the value in seeing a flop in position, and getting away from it if an overcard hits. . He had AJ (WTF) and my QQ held.

wow i almost added AQs to my initial range but thought it would be too loose even for blind defense. gh.
 
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The only thing villain's image gives us is more reason to slow down since his range is tighter...
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When I see 15/14 I know he is tight, but he's also being agro with basically any hand he plays. That range includes a lot more than AK, AA and KK. In other words, we're still way ahead of most of it, so I think jamming is ok.

I understand slow playing may extract more value, but I'm also happy taking it down with all-in PF. Obv, you can play it either way. I think for a less skilled player such as myself, the easier all-in PF is correct. For a really good post-flop player, calling is probably best. But I still think it's close.
 
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When I see 15/14 I know he is tight, but he's also being agro with basically any hand he plays. That range includes a lot more than AK, AA and KK. In other words, we're still way ahead of most of it, so I think jamming is ok.

I don't think there's anything wrong with shoving, but I do agree with dbitel in that smooth calling will give us a slightly better EV play, for reasons already mentioned.

I understand slow playing may extract more value, but I'm also happy taking it down with all-in PF. Obv, you can play it either way. I think for a less skilled player such as myself, the easier all-in PF is correct. For a really good post-flop player, calling is probably best. But I still think it's close.

I don't think you need to be a 'really good' postflop player - you pretty much shove when he c-bets a favourable flop, check/fold an unfavourable one. The only spot it would get tricky is on an Axx or Kxx flop, and having to decide whether he's got it or not.

I do see your point, though - I'm pretty much a terrible postflop player vs my preflop play, and although I agree smooth calling can extract a little more, I probably shove in the moment.

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