[100nl FR] 67s for TP and FD in multiway raised pot

ChuckTs

ChuckTs

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Initial raiser is 19/16/inf over a ~200 hand sample size. The rest of the players are 16/13/6, 34/1.3/1.5, and 9/6/6 respectively over 50+ hand sample sizes.

poker stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
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SB: $95.60
Hero (BB): $102.90
UTG: $97.50
UTG+1: $99.35
UTG+2: $145.90
MP1: $44.15
MP2: $63.75
CO: $102.30
BTN: $82.90

Pre-Flop: 7
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6
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dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $4, UTG+2 calls $4, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $4, CO calls $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($20.50) 5
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2
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6
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(5 Players)
Hero ...

What do you think of the pf action?
Our line?
 
blankoblanco

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preflop is standard, although a big squeeze play is a risky but possible alternative if you think ORs EP range is wide enough.

on flop.. hm, stack size traditionally suggests smallish ($12) bet/3bet, but relative position suggests check and let OR bet to hopefully trap more into the pot for you to raise

i actually think i like c/raising with this many players. it can potentially trap a lot of yummy money in. there's a good chance if someone bets that another player will raise anyway, and then you have a good stack size to 3bet shove. likewise if someone bets and gets 2 or 3 calls, shoving isn't an unreasonable overbet at that point, and it gets you more fold equity vs. overpairs
 
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You're definetly beat now, at least one of them has to have an overpair. But you have a ton of outs, against AA you have 14 outs plus a runner runner straight draw. And if you can get all in on a coinflip against one player there would be plenty of dead money. I think I'd check raise all in here.
 
Richyl2008

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Preflop is an easy call. On the flop i'd probably check and see what develops and go from there.
 
Munchrs

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I agree with Combub about c/raising this flop.

YOu have alot of outs vs a overpair(which is likely to bet) here and are at worse flipping vs one opponent. I would get worried if you c/r and get multiple callers.

Also if you check and they all check behind you get a freecard which isnt bad for you with your FD and backdoor straight.
 
NineLions

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Yep, preflop Doyle would have been licking his lips 20 years ago. The flop I think is one of those hands that Phil Gordon likes to "go to war" with. Being OOP I like combu's line of C/R to get some money in the pot.

Apparently nothing of my own to add; just recylcing the words of the experts.


(and combu :) )
 
blankoblanco

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yeah, i still shove over the lone $15 bet. it's still not an insane overbet but will get you a lot of FE against overpairs
 
iMaGiN.

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After the raise to $15 from the CO, I would probably re-raise to $45-$50. You have many outs and you can't be drawing dead. If he calls, you get to see what you have working with on the turn and if he folds, well then you win the big pot right there. But...if he goes all in, then that's your choice if you want to be on a possible coin flip with him.

Good luck, tell us how it turned out.
 
blankoblanco

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imagin, if he goes all-in after a raise to $45-$50, there is no choice. it's an obvious call against literally any hand in the deck. and if some weirdo just calls, it can make the turn really awkward

the only possible reason to make a smaller raise would be if we thought it would look stronger to them than shoving all-in and actually give us more fold equity. against a single thinking opponent, this can actually be reasonable, but here with all these people behind i'd much rather just shove
 
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