100nl; 99 top set valuetown

ChuckTs

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Not too much info on the minraiser; he sat down within 2 or 3 orbits ago and has been open limping tons, calling lots of raises, and putting out very weak donkbets and postflop bets, somehow taking down quite a few pots. Other guy seems to be a tag regular at ~15/5/2 after <100 hands.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed)

CO ($45.30)
Button ($93)
Hero ($114.15)
BB ($108.75)
UTG ($196.30)
MP1 ($59)
MP2 ($101.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9
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2 folds, MP2 calls $1, CO raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.

Flop: ($7) 9
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Hero ...

Bestest line for more moneyz?

Maybe do you 3-bet pf?
 
AlexeiVronsky

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I'd check here, the other guy you said is making bad bets, and you've got the deck crippled, it's unlikely anyone has 53 or a 9 to give you any action and someone else mike bluff with it, while an inside straight draw with an a3 or a5, or maybe a 56 might catch but you're giving up very few outs with a check if no one else bets. I'd say give someone the opportunity to bluff at it or perhaps some has an overpair they'll bet.
And I wouldn't reraise preflop as you'll be out of position on the flop without really knowing where you stand unless it's a low board or hit a set.
 
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Pot isnt big enough yet, let the tag reg play a squeeze here if he has a piece. Check/call let yourself get squeeze here if possible. Giving free cards here is safe as houses as both villians are likely drawing to 2 outs each. You could always pull a "donk" lead as unknown will likely re-raise a small weak bet like $1, but that lends yourself into c/c mode until the river.
 
c9h13no3

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What are you trying to accomplish by 3-betting? You'll likely run away MP2 (and his substantial amount of money), and thus if you hit a hand like a set, you'll only be able to earn 50$ max because of CO's short stack.

And because the CO is a bit of a calling station, I don't think playing these 9's fast is the best move. I'd be content to see a flop for 2$, and play these 9's for overpair or set value. The only problem with playing them for set value is that you're in early position, so its going to be hard to build a big pot without scaring away your ATM's.

The range of hands that the villains are on is pretty huge right now. You want to start working up the pot here without scaring away your customers. The potential draws out there are quite weak (only gutshot straight draws), so we're not concerned about giving out a free card.

Since we're first to act, I would probably lean more towards checking this. MP2's range is a lot less likely to hit the flop than the CO's. I also think that he would be 3-betting/raising TT+ preflop. Thus, due to his preflop actions, he's probably holding some unpaired overcards, some suited connectors, or a lower pocket pair. All of this range will probably go away if we bet here (with the exception of 22 & 44).

Thus, I would check and let the donk make a donk bet. If its small enough, and we just call, we may keep MP2 in the hand. And the longer we keep his big stack around, the better chance we have of relieving him of it.

The only other option I see is leading out super-small (3$). But since you're not a donk, I think that would look more suspicious than c/c'ing the flop, and then leading the turn.

So yeah, check/call flop, lead on pretty much any turn card.
 
ChuckTs

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OK well tbh I wasn't paying too much attention to this one in terms of reads (ie hand ranges), and decided to bet this one.

The truth is that both these guys probably have nothing but overs, but even so I don't think a bet is terrible since the calling station will often peel me, and if he does so I don't doubt he'll bluff the turn if I check to him. He could even bluff raise me here on the flop which is great.

The other guy probably isn't getting involved regardless. He's not ch-calling a <99 pair, and probably doesn't have any draw/overpair good enough to stick around with.

Anyways like I said I decided to bet to build the pot:


Flop: ($7) 9
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Hero bets $5, MP2 folds, CO raises to $10, Hero ...

Pot is now $22, villain has $33.3 left in his stack and hero has him covered...
 
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I like leading as you did for 1/2 to 2/3 pot.

I'd min-raise him right back and if he calls push the turn.
 
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i'd flat call myslef here, as to send a mixed single like as if your really weak, and if he's as dumb as u say he is he'll more then likely take the bait and bet it out, then you can rearaie
 
c9h13no3

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Flop: ($7) 9
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Hero bets $5, MP2 folds, CO raises to $10, Hero ...

Pot is now $22, villain has $33.3 left in his stack and hero has him covered...
Yummy...

So the real question is, what is he raising with? His tiny preflop raise, combined with this post-flop min-raise, has me to believe he has the following, in order of most likely to least:

1) A3, A5, unpaired overcards, and possibly 56. These are all "drawing hands", and he's likely to fold them if we push the action too much, since they're very weak draws. But they might be enough to pull a min-raise bluff with on the flop.

2) Non-set pocket pairs (33, 55-88, possibly TT+). If he's holding TT+, it will probably be easy to get him to stack off. However, is this guy bad enough to only min-raise with TT+? Does he think he's trapping us with tiny raises, while he's holding AA? Its possible, but probably not. So this holding isn't going to be strong enough to withstand much action from us either. And he'll get his money in with TT+ by the next street anyways. So I think we should focus on the 88 type holdings here, and try to milk them a bit.

3) A2, A4 - This may give him something to min-raise bluff with, but it won't stand up to much betting.

4) 22, 44 - Money is going in by the river, so these really don't matter much.

5) A9, T9, K9, ect. These hands are unlikely, since we can account for 3 of the 9's.


So in the first 3 (and largest) parts of his range, he's a big dog to us, and I have a hard time believing that even the donkiest of 100$ NL donkeys will be able to stand a lot of action with a hand like A4, A5, or KQ. And against other sets or TT+, I think the money is going in by the river anyways (unless the turn & riv come 3,5 & kill our action).

Thus, since his range is really weak, I say just flat call.

and if he does so I don't doubt he'll bluff the turn if I check to him
Well if you have no doubts, then flat call and check to him :).

And I agree, if his range is really as weak as I've laid out, then we'll probably have to get him to commit his stack voluntarily.

The only worry I have with not leading on the turn is that he'll take the free card, and something could come on the turn/river that would kill your action. And, it may be easier to get the rest of his stack in if we do it in portions (10ish on the turn, and the rest on the river). If he checks behind on the turn, then we'd have to get him to commit all 33$ in one street, which may be a bit much for him.
 
ChuckTs

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Nice analysis, c9. I agree that the probabilities of certain hand groups should look like that, and if not then it's close to it.

I called with the intention of ch-raising him AI on the turn since any significant turn bet will either commit him to calling off the rest of his stack, or he might just stick his whole stack in himself.

I call,

Turn is a blank T

I check, he bets $5 (wtf), I shove, he gets away with what was most probably A2-A5/AK/AQ/worse bluff.
 
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