$100 NLHE Full Ring: 4bet with Queens and get called by two people...

[tofushit888]

Hi guys! My friends and I play online poker quite often on a website called donkhouse.com . We are based in Hong Kong so the blinds are HKD 5 / 10, which is roughly US$0.65 / 1.3 . There was a hand where I had QQ in the SB, I 4 bet to 500 and got called from HJ and Button. Flop comes A-10-5 with 2 hearts. Pot was like 1700 already and I had 1600 behind and decided to Jam all in when I acted first. HJ thinks about it and folds, so does button. later I find out HJ had pocket kings o.o not sure what button had. In that spot, is my jam a +EV play usually...? Or should bet small or even check back? Let me know what you guys think.


If you want to watch the actual play, you can check out my first poker vlog here:

Thanks!

 

[Edu1]

I will watch later because I have no time now, but seems a good content!

 

[c0rnBr34d]

Didn't have time to watch the whole clip or to see the hand in question. I think your flop jam was a bit lucky. Heads up I'd be more on board with that play but 3 ways the chances that no one has an Ace are pretty low so turning our hand into a bluff and hoping to get through two players seems very optimistic. In this case I guess they both had pocket pairs and we got KK to fold which is awesome but I think in general any Ax that calls a 4B pre is going to stack off for less than a pot sized bet and most under pairs should be folding to a 4B so we are usually against QQ+, AK here. We can't beat any of that range. If they are wide enough to call with JJ or TT they probably have at least AJ+ as well and perhaps even more Ax. KK did us a favor by not 5B pre. Nice take down!

So to play it? I recently had a similar hand against a maniac and checked flop. After he checked back flop I was able to call down and win a huge pot as neither of us had the Ace. Here I'd probably x flop and jam most turns if it checks through since we can also x our AK here a bunch. We can also always improve. If they bet flop then I'm mostly giving up but depending on reads and sizing there may be a scenario where I peel against the right player.

 

[dallam]

The QQ hand is staring at 19:00 minutes.

Personally I liked the re-raise here to 500. That limpers could make some trouble and as we had the 3rd strongest pre-combination it was definitely required at this point in my eyes to make a value.
The flop was so horrible, and the all-in suprised me, but it worked. I don't know if I were in your shoes would try it, so I cannot say any contributive about that move.
The guy with kings was not understandable for me, when you made it to 500 I would go all-in with the kings for sure, so the mistake was definitely from him, your all-in was just a fearless defence, which brought you the pot.

It seems a nice blog, keep it up.

 

[gustav197poker]

I agree with the jam when we perceive fold equity in villains. Without hearts we, I see that that is unlikely. Also this is a 3WP, so we need to unlock the overpowered bluffs for this texture. And with our hand, we block the most important of the neutral combos: QKs.
I'd wait for the turn to make a better decision. However you achieved the goal and were able to take down your opponents.
I see that you like action, maybe you can consider the 6-max format, since in full ring you will find more MWP situations, and in those cases your hands will devalue more often, which will entail making a greater amount of exploitative folds.
Greetings.

 

[Evan Jarvis]

Hi guys! My friends and I play online poker quite often on a website called donkhouse.com . We are based in Hong Kong so the blinds are HKD 5 / 10, which is roughly US$0.65 / 1.3 . There was a hand where I had QQ in the SB, I 4 bet to 500 and got called from HJ and Button. Flop comes A-10-5 with 2 hearts. Pot was like 1700 already and I had 1600 behind and decided to Jam all in when I acted first. HJ thinks about it and folds, so does button. later I find out HJ had pocket kings o.o not sure what button had. In that spot, is my jam a +EV play usually...? Or should bet small or even check back? Let me know what you guys think.


If you want to watch the actual play, you can check out my first poker vlog here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu0vv24nypM

Thanks!

Hey Lucas!

Cool video, and congrats on making your first upload to youtube.
I know it's not easier to put that first one up, but it will open the doors for sure

I wish I'd had the video editing skills you do when I put up my first vid years ago haha

Anyway, as for the hand... wow... that's a funny one.

Normally I wouldn't make such a play as we don't often get called by worse or get better to fold (but as you said in this case you did get better to fold!) ... personally I would've expected kings to backraise all in preflop.

Sometimes making a bet out on the ace high board in such spots can be useful to make the hand easier to play, prevent getting bluffed, etc.

But I think this could be accomplished with a smaller bet size, say 1/4 to 1/3 of the pot.

Anyway, nice result, and more importantly nice job with the video

I hope your channel picks up momentum and that you find great joy in creating content like this!!!

 

[tofushit888]

I will watch later because I have no time now, but seems a good content!

Thank you so much for the support! More episodes are coming out

 

[tofushit888]

Didn't have time to watch the whole clip or to see the hand in question. I think your flop jam was a bit lucky. Heads up I'd be more on board with that play but 3 ways the chances that no one has an Ace are pretty low so turning our hand into a bluff and hoping to get through two players seems very optimistic. In this case I guess they both had pocket pairs and we got KK to fold which is awesome but I think in general any Ax that calls a 4B pre is going to stack off for less than a pot sized bet and most under pairs should be folding to a 4B so we are usually against QQ+, AK here. We can't beat any of that range. If they are wide enough to call with JJ or TT they probably have at least AJ+ as well and perhaps even more Ax. KK did us a favor by not 5B pre. Nice take down!

So to play it? I recently had a similar hand against a maniac and checked flop. After he checked back flop I was able to call down and win a huge pot as neither of us had the Ace. Here I'd probably x flop and jam most turns if it checks through since we can also x our AK here a bunch. We can also always improve. If they bet flop then I'm mostly giving up but depending on reads and sizing there may be a scenario where I peel against the right player.

Thank you for the detailed analysis here! I totally agree that I got super lucky to get my bluff through haha. X flop and jam turn is probably a safer route. I was definitely not beating much... Any Ace-x holding will be calling my flop jam since SPR is so low...

Thanks a lot for the feedback! I will continue to post videos on the channel. I often get into tricky spots so will post more hand questions/analysis on this website.

Cheers.

 

[tofushit888]

The QQ hand is staring at 19:00 minutes.

Personally I liked the re-raise here to 500. That limpers could make some trouble and as we had the 3rd strongest pre-combination it was definitely required at this point in my eyes to make a value.
The flop was so horrible, and the all-in suprised me, but it worked. I don't know if I were in your shoes would try it, so I cannot say any contributive about that move.
The guy with kings was not understandable for me, when you made it to 500 I would go all-in with the kings for sure, so the mistake was definitely from him, your all-in was just a fearless defence, which brought you the pot.

It seems a nice blog, keep it up.

I definitely didn't expect him to flat call my 4 bet with pocket kings...I was thinking he had some lower pairs like 99,88,77, etc or suited KQ maybe haha. Anyways... I got super lucky. If he 5-bet with Kings, I think I would have lost my whole stack for sure in this spot.

Thanks for the review!

 

[tofushit888]

I agree with the jam when we perceive fold equity in villains. Without hearts we, I see that that is unlikely. Also this is a 3WP, so we need to unlock the overpowered bluffs for this texture. And with our hand, we block the most important of the neutral combos: QKs.
I'd wait for the turn to make a better decision. However you achieved the goal and were able to take down your opponents.
I see that you like action, maybe you can consider the 6-max format, since in full ring you will find more MWP situations, and in those cases your hands will devalue more often, which will entail making a greater amount of exploitative folds.
Greetings.

Thanks Gustav for the review! Agree that waiting for the turn is a better decision as I could be taking that line with something like AK and AA.

I do tend to 3bet /4bet a lot preflop to generate action haha. I sometimes play 6-max on Natural8 (similar to GG Poker) as well and its definitely easier than a full-ring game. Unfortunately gambling is illegal in Hong Kong, so I mainly play home games (both online and offline) with my friends.

I will post more interesting hand scenarios here going forward. Thanks!

 

[tofushit888]

Hey Lucas!

Cool video, and congrats on making your first upload to youtube.
I know it's not easier to put that first one up, but it will open the doors for sure

I wish I'd had the video editing skills you do when I put up my first vid years ago haha

Anyway, as for the hand... wow... that's a funny one.

Normally I wouldn't make such a play as we don't often get called by worse or get better to fold (but as you said in this case you did get better to fold!) ... personally I would've expected kings to backraise all in preflop.

Sometimes making a bet out on the ace high board in such spots can be useful to make the hand easier to play, prevent getting bluffed, etc.

But I think this could be accomplished with a smaller bet size, say 1/4 to 1/3 of the pot.

Anyway, nice result, and more importantly nice job with the video

I hope your channel picks up momentum and that you find great joy in creating content like this!!!

WOW JARVIS, I can't believe my post got your viewing!!!!! Thanks a lot for the advice on this hand. Agree a smaller sized bet on the flop would be safer instead of jamming myself into a possible Ace-x combo hahaha. Your support means a lot to me! I have a lot of fun recording my home games and doing the hand analysis. Unfortunately there are no poker rooms in Hong Kong... but if I can visit Macau soon, I will make sure to record a live casino session .

Thanks for the word of encouragement. I will continue to post more episodes!

Cheers