Squeezed pot versus unknown (regular or whale?)
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 9 players
(UTG): $21.48 (215 bb)
(UTG+1): $9.01 (90 bb)
(MP): $4.60 (46 bb)
(MP+1): $18.17 (182 bb)
(LP): $13.66 (137 bb)
Hero (CO): $11.90 (119 bb)
(BU): $10.10 (101 bb) Vpip : 26 PFR : 20 AF : 3 (167 Hands)
(SB): $9.02 (90 bb)
(BB): $9.95 (100 bb)
Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q♠ Q♣
1 fold, (UTG+1) raises to $0.20, 1 fold, (MP+1) calls $0.20, 1 fold, Hero (CO) 3-bets to $1, (BU) calls $1, 2 players fold, (UTG+1) calls $0.80,
Flop: ($3.35) J♠ 2♣ 8♥ (3 players)
(UTG+1) checks, Hero (CO) bets $1.60, (BU) calls $1.60, (UTG+1) folds
Turn: ($6.55) 5♥ (2 players)
Hero (CO) checks, (BU) bets $2, Hero (CO) calls $2
River: ($10.55) 6♥ (2 players)
siwanat99 (CO) checks, fapping2AA (BU) bets $5.50 (all-in), Hero (CO) what to do ?
Hello there siwanat99, thank you for sharing your hand.
The Preflop action:
You squeezed preflop to 5x, and I guess your sizing is okay here. Three players enter into the pot and the player in the BTN also calls in the middle of the road. This usually means two things:
A) That BTN has a very strong range, since EP is yet to speak after BTN, so it is awaiting 4-bet/Squeezes.
B) That BTN perceived weak players on the blinds (SB and BB are both short stacked when the action happened), and decided to widen its cold calling range to play IP versus these guys, SB and BB, out of position.
In the case of element
A, we will find a more capped range, with 88+ QJ, KQ, AQ, AK, and a lot of suited broadways and strong suited connectors such as T9,J9, Q9, 98, 76, etc.
In the case of element
B, we will find a more uncapped range with 22+, all the suited connectors, even 32s, and all the broadways off and suited.
Given the limited data we have to deal with, VPIP of 26 and PFR of 20, for only 167 hands indicates that this BTN/
Villain loves to call preflop so we can widen its range a little, or the element
B a little bit, but without exaggeration. No conclusions about BTN player, it can be a REG, a Whale, a FISH, a LAG, an Aggro Donkey, whatever: 167 is not enough for optimal decision making. (We will have to be guessing here very soon, sorry).
Well, you Squeeze, BTN calls and UTG+1 calls, we have now a very complicated and big pot to play postflop with a player that we don't know for sure (167 hands).
The pot went to be of a size of 33.5 blinds preflop, and this alters completely the way we should play our ranges. Because of this huge sizing you will stack here a fair chunk of times with the top of your range whether you like it or not.
The Postflop
The Flop: This flop is medium-good for us, and in a 3-handed pot/Squeezed, we are going to be C-bettinf for value in a very high frequency, with almost 100% of our range. Sometimes Villain/Villains will notice this and exploit us on later streets.
We are betting here a lot of whiffed aces, such as AKs, AQs, AJ, even A8s, AA, KK, QQ are c-betting here in a high frequency and that's when huge problems begin to arise:
Considering that almost never we have the nuts in a situation like this (we do not have too much 22 and 88, we never have J8, J2, 82, even 22 or 88 (in a high frequency) on our Squeezing Range of CO x UTG/UTG+1: in situations like this, the best hand that we could have is JJ with top set, the ONLY hand that we can represent here. (AJ is not so comfortable, and so does KJ).
We are not blocking JJ, per se, we are blocking some combos of QJ for instance.
So, given that almost never we have the nuts, our JJ are checking this flop in a X low frequency to induce bluffs, and when JJ bets, given this flop is not very connected, JJ goes for 1/3 pot, because it doesn't need protection right now, or just a little protection.
Given that we c-bet 100% of flops like this, and there are already 33.5 blinds on the pot, I would safely go for a 1/3 pot c-bet (or even 1/4 pot), with all of my range that Squeezes CO x EP/EP: we are very strong when we do it (if our perceveid range/style of playing is TAG), and it is certain that all the hands that Squeeze are c-betting this specific flop combination.
Betting 1/2 pot is good at the micros, but at 10 NLHE players are way more sophisticated and have solid range reading, so when you go for such a huge sizing, on a flop where almost never you have the nuts, you might have given golden information for the player in the BTN.(if BTN is a regular. Although it seems very much a calling station, we cannot take definitive decisions based on uncertain data).
When BTN calls your 1/2 pot it is not scary at all, but it should make us think for a second, given that the flop doesn't have many draws (it doesn't contain a flush draw, only
a back door and back doors do not have the right price to be chasing turns and rivers), the 2c doesn't connect to the J or the 8, and the OESD possible here is T9o/T9s, maybe Q9 (we block a lot these combos), and of course, given such a high VPIP preflop, BTN can have more nuts now, because it can have as values hands such as 22, 88, J8, even JJ that is not good enough to 4-bet in a spot like this, so it is easy to perceive that because BTN's VPIP is large, it can have more nutted hands on a dry flop like this than us. (by the same token, also more bluffs or potential bluffs).
BTN is calling here with floats, but the floats were commented like T9 and Q9, specially suited.
These days, players are way too smart and tend to be shoving a lot this flop, putting us on a very boring spot with QQ, KK, AA, AJ and AK. (we don't want to look like idiots at the table so we tend to be calling more shoves on the flop as usual versus an unbalanced player with stats of 26/20).
The Turn: We do not have optimal stats to be working here and taking decisions based upon "my guts told me that I should be doing X, Y or Z". For better decision making on situations like this, we will use the stats of C-BET FLOP, C-BET TURN, FOLD C-BET FLOP AND FOLD C-BET TURN.
As we don't know how often this player calls preflop IP (Call Open stat) in a very specific situation of Squeezed pot CO x EP/EP, we must take some guesses (sub-optimal).
This 5h doesn't change a lot the picture of the hands: hands that BTN called flop are still calling turn, so I don't see the check as a bad thing. BTN, on the other side (now guessing), if it has a large Bet vs Missed C-bet, or if BTN is reading your stats and observing that OOP, you usually c-bet more flops and checks more turns, it might take some advantage now that it came a flush draw of hearts on the turn (good card for
bluffing?)
Some players love to commit this mistake of betting for information, and given that BTN's range is never capped with VPIP of 26%, it might has a flush draw of hearts, some suited aces with the SD combo draw, and the same T9 and Q9 that might have called you on the flop. (we must strongly consider that Villain should not have a lot of flush draws now on the turn, because they should be folding to 1/2 pot c-bet, unless it was a BDF+TP or BDF+2P, even so some players are raising it).
Given that our range is way too strong here on this turn, I believe it would be a mistake to be folding here (guessing again because we have no solid stats or sample of hands to be dealing with), since we must pay 2 for a pot of over 10, the math is very simple.
I don't know if the SPR or the weak ability of this BTN player will allow us to fold on many rivers, so we could be raising jam this turn for value on certain scenarios versus spewy that vomit chips on the table (guessing that it is overplaying its range and trying to bet mostly because you checked turn).
River Flush We don't believe that BTN has many flushes right now but many floats. However we are simply guessing and that's not good. The problem of this hearts on this river, BTN should be checking a ton a lot of two pair and set types without the blocker of hearts.
By the same token BTN will not have many flushes on a river like this, it will have a lot of value hands that shoudn't be jamming here, but checking behind, even some flushes:
If I had float flop with a back door flush (with no price for so paying it), turn I bluff my flush draw, and river I complete the flush, I know that CO's range is capped to strong hands, so if I go all-in it is a very easy fold for QQ, KK, AA, and all the bluffs of course and we want those hands to continue paying! It is not logic to be shoving flushes here, given easy fold
equity for CO/Hero's range. Besides, we are almost sure that most of the Back Doors of Hearts don't float versus 1/2 pot c-bet but fold, so if we have to guess, let it do it with a little rationale.
Unless, of course, that the BTN player is putting CO on a flush type hand too, which is not uncommon at the micros. (in a miracle of the dealer that it decided to mock on our faces).
With all due respect to the regulars of 10 NLHE, I don't believe they are good enough to be bluffing a river like this, for example, only with a Ah/missed or Kh/missed, which would be damn good floats that puts a lot of pressure into QQ, KK and AA and sometimes they would fold on CO's shoes, but all-in here is a very risk movement for the BTN, and now it is very hard to believe this player is a regular of the field. (only 167 hands indicates newbie?).
We do not have enough information about Villain to be saying for sure that it was better to have check/jammed turn or if we should be hero calling river safely. I believe that BTN's bluffs right now are only the straight draws with T9 and Q9 (not so much..) for example, with a combo of hearts on its combos, and the flush draws with Ah/missed and Kh/missed.
The rest are only value hands that weak players tend to overplay and do crazy things where they should be certainly checking. So, given that players like this are not creative enough to be really bluffing with air on a river like this we can muck our QQ and be sure that BTN would be putting a shove like this with all of its value range, and it is very large:
66, 55, 22, maybe JJ, J8, 65, maybe 86, and even a bigger maybe QQ which we are even, KK and AA for a miracle, and a lot of missed/busted draws bluffs/pushes seeking fold equity.
We are guessing, sorry, sometimes it is very hard to say "to this" or "do that", because poker is not so simple as it seems.
Regards;
Carlos 'Aballinamion'
Barbosa