$10 NLHE 6-max: should I fold vs all in with trip

[zdm]

In 20 mins , I have two trips, I almost suspect the system set it up deliberately.

First one villian is very aggressive on the river 20/13


SB: $17.95 (179.5 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $9.56 (95.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $14.21 (142.1 bb)
BTN: $10.60 (106 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qh Jc
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) Qs Qd Ac (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.71) 3c (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.71) Ah (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.09, Hero raises to $3.62, BTN raises to $9.82, Hero calls $6.20

Results: $21.35 pot ($0.96 rake)
Final Board: Qs Qd Ac 3c Ah
Hero showed Qh Jc and lost (-$10.60 net)
BTN showed As Ts and won $20.39 ($9.79 net)

second just in 20 mins, villian 28/22 af 2


SB: $16.61 (166.1 bb)
BB: $6.54 (65.4 bb)
Hero (MP): $13.32 (133.2 bb)
CO: $12.07 (120.7 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Kd Qc
Hero raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.75) Qd 6s 8c (2 players)
Hero bets $0.47, CO calls $0.47

Turn: ($1.69) 5d (2 players)
Hero bets $1.07, CO raises to $2.60, Hero calls $1.53

River: ($6.89) Qs (2 players)
Hero bets $2.10, CO raises to $8.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.60

Results: $24.29 pot ($1.09 rake)
Final Board: Qd 6s 8c 5d Qs
Hero showed Kd Qc and lost (-$12.07 net)
CO showed 8h 8s and won $23.20 ($11.13 net)

 

[zdm]

The first one call river maybe is the best choice.
I think I was too excited when I saw the full house.
Totally forgot the ace full house

 

[zdm]

have to add this one. the same day the third one.
This time I am lucky.
But am I too spew here, like I played the first two hands.

villian 33/23 af 2.5. Will he more likely has 88 or 22 on percentage.

SB: $12.59 (125.9 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $14.17 (141.7 bb)
MP: $13.59 (135.9 bb)
CO: $5 (50 bb)
BTN: $15.40 (154 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with As Tc
CO posts BB OOP, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds

Flop: ($1) Th 8c 2c (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.63, SB raises to $1.60, Hero calls $0.97

Turn: ($4.20) Td (2 players)
SB bets $2.67, Hero raises to $12.17 and is all-in, SB calls $7.92 and is all-in

River: ($25.38) 7c (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $25.38 pot ($1.14 rake)
Final Board: Th 8c 2c Td 7c
SB showed Ts Kd and lost (-$12.59 net)
Hero showed As Tc and won $24.24 ($11.65 net)

 

[PCK]

The first hand,to many checks there and i dont see any reason to ch/raise the river on that spot.The second hand just unlucky

 

[JKo2theQQ]

The second hand was just a bad spot. There isn't much you could have done to prevent that. When he check/raises the river, alarm bells should be going off with a paired board. However, you have to much invested to lay down so that sucks. The first hand is a bit different. I think you could have saved some money on the river. Personally, I don't mind the check / call on the flop. With no flush draw out there you are probably in good shape. I think you should have led out on the turn instead of checking, but it wouldn't have changed anything because I'm pretty sure he would have called any reasonable bet. Checking the river was definitely the right move because there is almost NO value in betting. If he doesn't have an A or a Q he is not calling any bet. There is also NO value in raising. Raising on the river can only hurt you. The only hand that can call a raise is an A or Q. So in effect you are raising with the hope of splitting the pot because he will never call with a hand that you beat. Like you said, you got over excited with the full house and didn't analyze the whole situation. Good Luck.

 

[c9h13no3]

The KQ on the turn hand is a really easy fold. Textbook Baluga theorem spot.

 

[zdm]

I should be careful when he raise. But it is a miniraise, Do you think I do not have enough odds here

The KQ on the turn hand is a really easy fold. Textbook Baluga theorem spot.

 

[c9h13no3]

I should be careful when he raise. But it is a miniraise, Do you think I do not have enough odds here

you're drawing dead against sets and straights so no, you don't have odds to draw.

 

[zdm]

When to tell if the miniraise shows some weakness

you're drawing dead against sets and straights so no, you don't have odds to draw.

 

[Four Dogs]

SB: $17.95 (179.5 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $9.56 (95.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $14.21 (142.1 bb)
BTN: $10.60 (106 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Qh Jc
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) Qs Qd Ac (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.48, Hero calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.71) 3c (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($1.71) Ah (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.09, Hero raises to $3.62, BTN raises to $9.82, Hero calls $6.20

Results: $21.35 pot ($0.96 rake)
Final Board: Qs Qd Ac 3c Ah
Hero showed Qh Jc and lost (-$10.60 net)
BTN showed As Ts and won $20.39 ($9.79 net)

The question isn't "should you fold the river" but rather "should you bet, raise and call". Actually I have problems with the hand as played before the river which you butchered. The preflop raise was fine but why did you check the flop? The QQA flop is pretty much action dead unless your opponent has an ace or a queen. If you Cbet (as expected you might get looked up for one bet by a pair or a draw. If you check the most likely outcome is that it will just get checked back to you. In this case he actually did have an ace and he bet. Why not checkraise? Again, you'll probably get a call from an ace and a fold from everything else, another queen will probably reraise. Why does everyone feel they have to slowplay all their monsters?The time to slow play is when the villain was the preflop aggressor and when you're own hand is better disguised, flopped set, straight, flush etc.

You checked the turn. Again, why? What do you think that he thinks you have? If he has an Ace he's going to worry that you have a Qeen. If he has a pair he's worried about an Ace or a Queen. Just bet. A hand with some showdown value (ace, pair, draw) might call a small bet but they won't bet themselves. More value lost.

What can I say about the river? Nothing good. Not to put too fine a point on this but you couldn't have played this any worse. What were you trying to accomplish with the check raise? Were you turning your hand into a bluff? No ace is EVER folding so what were you bluffing him off of that you didn't already have beat? And when he 4 bets, your Queens Full aren't even a good bluff catcher. Quite honestly I think that you thought you had a monster and when it went south you panicked. I'm not saying that to be insulting, it's the natural reaction for anyone when we find ourselves facing situations that we are not familiar or comfortable with. You overcome it with experience and self analysis, not with defeatist statements like

In 20 mins , I have two trips, I almost suspect the system set it up deliberately.

No problem with the 2nd hand. Good preflop raise, good value bets, bad outcome. That's poker.

 

[IPlay]

Grunch, not reading other post.

Hand 1 you are NEVER raising this river and getting called by worse, just call river. Raise is pure SPEW.

Hand 2, fold turn 80% of the time and fold river 100% of the time you are literally NEVER ahead here.

3rd hand, I prefer calling turn to keep bluffs in the villains range on the river and you can also jam river to get value from all hands you get value from jamming turn.(Most draws will fold to turn jam on paired board.) Position is key in this hand to get value from as much of villains range as possible which include bluffs and value hands.

 

[zdm]

Thanks. But I am confused here. Some book told me that if I bet this board most hands will fold. If he hit something on the turn maybe I can win more especially he is very aggressive on the river. Is that because I am oop. If I am IP， I can slow play.

Second hand you can see some reply said I'd better fold the turn.Can you explain more as I am not sure if fold is better here

The question isn't "should you fold the river" but rather "should you bet, raise and call". Actually I have problems with the hand as played before the river which you butchered. The preflop raise was fine but why did you check the flop? The QQA flop is pretty much action dead unless your opponent has an ace or a queen. If you Cbet (as expected you might get looked up for one bet by a pair or a draw. If you check the most likely outcome is that it will just get checked back to you. In this case he actually did have an ace and he bet. Why not checkraise? Again, you'll probably get a call from an ace and a fold from everything else, another queen will probably reraise. Why does everyone feel they have to slowplay all their monsters?The time to slow play is when the villain was the preflop aggressor and when you're own hand is better disguised, flopped set, straight, flush etc.

You checked the turn. Again, why? What do you think that he thinks you have? If he has an Ace he's going to worry that you have a Qeen. If he has a pair he's worried about an Ace or a Queen. Just bet. A hand with some showdown value (ace, pair, draw) might call a small bet but they won't bet themselves. More value lost.

What can I say about the river? Nothing good. Not to put too fine a point on this but you couldn't have played this any worse. What were you trying to accomplish with the check raise? Were you turning your hand into a bluff? No ace is EVER folding so what were you bluffing him off of that you didn't already have beat? And when he 4 bets, your Queens Full aren't even a good bluff catcher. Quite honestly I think that you thought you had a monster and when it went south you panicked. I'm not saying that to be insulting, it's the natural reaction for anyone when we find ourselves facing situations that we are not familiar or comfortable with. You overcome it with experience and self analysis, not with defeatist statements like


No problem with the 2nd hand. Good preflop raise, good value bets, bad outcome. That's poker.

 

[Four Dogs]

I apologize for the delay in replying to this, I'm not on everyday and when I am it's often on my iphone at 3Am and I sometimes miss the replys.

Thanks. But I am confused here. Some book told me that if I bet this board most hands will fold. If he hit something on the turn maybe I can win more especially he is very aggressive on the river. Is that because I am oop. If I am IP， I can slow play.

The book is correct, most hands will fold to a CB on this flop, because most hands will miss this flop completely, but letting the board run out won't change that much. All it does is give a free card to a lot of other hands that aren't that far behind and would probably call a bet or two, (Any Ace, any two broadways). Those are the hands you're playing to. You might even get a weaker Queen to spaz out on you and dump off. The only hand you're worried about is AQ, (AA would have reraised preflop), but you're not folding this on the flop, ever so there's no need to consider it.

The only card you don't want to see on the turn or the river is an Ace. I fully understand getting carried away when you made a FH, but you didn't need a FH because you already had the best hand. I made a mistake in my original post, I said he 4bet. It was just a raise but that's just splitting hairs. The point is that you were only beating a bluff. Ordinarily I might say you had to call based on how under rep'd your hand was as played. You were getting 3:1, but I just don't see anyone ever bluffing here. Your choice should be between calling and folding, never raising.

Second hand you can see some reply said I'd better fold the turn.Can you explain more as I am not sure if fold is better here

I've also changed my mind about this hand (I plead guilty by virtue of display size and sleep deprivation). I wouldn't fold the turn, not to that raise, but my radar would certainly be on red alert. This kind of action is super indicative of either a slow played hand or an improved one. You call the turn getting 4:1 and check fold the river. It has nothing to do with being OOP and everything to do with being flat out behind. The biggest top pair is way behind the weakest set.