$10 NLHE 6-max: Set: call turn on 2 tone board or raise?

[LuckyChippy]

lol value bet bluff? ffs man that's an oxymoron.

Raise turn ldo, we has a set!

 

[flatcaller]

Don't really think you know what the definition of a value bet is (despite me typing it at least twice in this thread). To value bet has absolutely nothing to do with the size of the bet. Min bet or shove and everything in between can all be a value bet.

As for a value bet bluff, well you just made that term up.

Please do not accuse me of making up terms. I am just trying to learn and help teach. We both have different views over this hand and i am fine with disputing our view but i do not want to be titled as a liar. The following links can explain it a little better along with prove I am not making up terms…

http://www.badbeatspoker.net/forum/beginners-table/6838-value-bet-bluff.html
http://www.texas-holdem-poker-page.com/pokerstrategy/valuebluff.htm

 

[JusSumguy]

I would put his turn bet on a diamond draw.

I'd have to push here and take what I can. If he wants the flush, he's gotta pay for it.


:icon_salu

 

[dlam]

I would raise now.

Let's find out if he's coming along for the ride or if he's just taking a stab at the pot.
If he's on the draw, make him pay for it.
If he has a pocket pair again I want him to pay for it.

This. If he had a lower AF then I would flat

 

[baudib1]

fold pre

$2.50 on turn

 

[BluffYou123]

fold pre

$2.50 on turn

Why fold pre? Villain has full stack to pay us off when we hit our set.

 

[fletchdad]

fold pre

$2.50 on turn

Why fold pre? Villain has full stack to pay us off when we hit our set.

Yes^^^^ this.

 

[Cafeman]

Is this a value bet bluff? 1st hand, no history with villain.


poker stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

MP: $51.97
CO: $30.76
BTN: $50.00
SB: $17.72
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $41.93

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K♠4♥
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.75) K♥5♦A♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.50, CO folds, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.75) 4♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $7.50, UTG calls $4.50

River: ($19.75) A♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

Final Pot: $36.75
Hero shows K♠4♥ (two pair, Aces and Kings)
UTG shows T♦J♦ (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $34.36
(Rake: $2.39)

 

[acky100]

I've seen a few value bet bluffs in my time, i'd say that hand is nothing but a value bet bluff cafeman!

 

[Cafeman]

I've seen a few value bet bluffs in my time, i'd say that hand is nothing but a value bet bluff cafeman!

That's what I thought acky, but I'll wait for WV to come in and confirm.

 

[ben_rhyno]

Do not fold pre, on the button with a hand with huge implied odds agaianst a full stacked villain

 

[WVHillbilly]

Do not fold pre, on the button with a hand with huge implied odds agaianst a full stacked villain

Actually we rarely have huge implied odds here. Villain is 26/21 and he's opening from the CO. In fact I'd say folding preflop is correct unless we think we can win the pot a fair amount of time when we don't hit a set which may be possible considering that villain didn't cbet. Then again we didn't try to take the pot with a flop bet so I doubt that OP was playing it for anything more than set value.

 

[JohnBoyWWFC]

But OP could have bet this hand on a different board texture, no? One with 2 overs in a 3 way pot is not necessarily a good spot to try and take it away, but if SB doesn't call and the board is different, I think there's definitely a lot of times when we can win this without hitting a set.

 

[flatcaller]

Is this a value bet bluff? 1st hand, no history with villain.


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

MP: $51.97
CO: $30.76
BTN: $50.00
SB: $17.72
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $41.93

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K♠4♥
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.75) K♥5♦A♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.50, CO folds, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($4.75) 4♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $7.50, UTG calls $4.50

River: ($19.75) A♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

Final Pot: $36.75
Hero shows K♠4♥ (two pair, Aces and Kings)
UTG shows T♦J♦ (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $34.36
(Rake: $2.39)

yes,good example. was it a tough call?

 

[baudib1]

Why fold pre? Villain has full stack to pay us off when we hit our set.

Villain's range is way to weak to get stacks in very often when we hit and we get 3-bet a ton in this spot. You cannot profitably set mine vs. a wide CO/BTN range.

 

[bgomez89]

Actually we rarely have huge implied odds here. Villain is 26/21 and he's opening from the CO. In fact I'd say folding preflop is correct unless we think we can win the pot a fair amount of time when we don't hit a set which may be possible considering that villain didn't cbet.

+1