$10 NLHE 6-max: QQ hits fullhouse and get reraised on the river

[aestheticsNL]

pokerstars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker - https://upswingpoker.com/replayer/624sUcsH3

UTG: $17.89 (179 bb)
MP: $16.84 (168 bb)
CO (Hero): $19.63 (196 bb)
BU: $19.94 (199 bb)
SB: $10.00 (100 bb)
BB: $10.48 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q♠ Q♣
1 fold, MP raises to $0.24, Hero calls $0.24, 2 players fold, BB calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.77) 6♣ Q♦ 6♥ (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.77) A♦ (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.40

River: ($1.97) J♣ (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $1.60, Hero raises to $4.14, BB folds, MP raises to $16.20 (all-in), CO (Hero) folds

Total pot: $10.25 (Rake: $0.46)
MP wins $9.79


I had QQ in the cutoff villain opens to 2,4 bb and I decide not to 3bet because we are 168BB deep and I dont want to get it in with QQ against an early position opener with more than 150 BB deep. So I call and the BB calls. I Flop a monster and decide to slowplay it on the flop so I check back. The turn is an ace and villain bets half pot. I decide to slowplay again and just call. On the river villain bets almost full pot. At this point I didn't know what to do. Should I just call or go for a raise fold or a raise call? I decided to go for a raise to get value from 10-k and JJ. Now villain shoves all in and I Decided to fold. My question is was my raise and my fold on the river right?

 

[gustav197poker]

I'm really not a zoom specialist, but your hand is very interesting. So I will comment a little what I thought.
I understand that in zoom the ranges are much narrower, but the villain's opening was really very small and you have a position on MP and your range should increase that small aperture from preflop, to neutralize the rest of the active positions.
In addition, the fact that you are deep is an additional to play more aggressive, from dominant positions.
There was no action on the flop, which is expected given the texture of the board. Already on the turn, the villain's bet is quite standard and easy to call. On the river your final decision depends on what you saw in the villain's game. Obviously you placed it on a line 6-6 or A-A.
Either way, I think you chose a too small size of increase in the river. With that size, now villain could turn into a bluff any hand of value such as A-Ks / o; A-Qs / o; A-Js; J-J; or even with A-6, and represent with these hands 6-6 or A-A. On the other hand, when you invest approximately 25% of your stack, you are in a profitable area to achieve an correct fold.
The problem is that your rank is too strong to grant cheap implicit to this villain. For these cases, I recommend that you make a much larger increase in the river (for example 4.5 times the bet that MP made on the river) and then stack with a spr close to 1.
Greetings.

 

[LevySystem]

I dont like you're decisition not to 3bet. Being deep actually gives you more manuverbility postflop. If you get a 4bet you can easily call and play you're hand postflop IP wich is huge. To a jam you can still fold. An if you get a 3barell on a dry board you can still fold to a riverbarrel.

If you're not confindet playing deep, don't play deep. Cash out once you hit 120bb or so


As played I agree with you postflopplay until the river. Unless you have a read on villain that he's a huge nit it's allways a snapcall to the jam. He can certainly have a lot of worse hands wich player overplay at these stakes. I've seen people go broke there with AK...

So imo way to tight fold on the river.

 

[GoTigersGo]

I agree with Luepso re the preflop action. Being this deep you are unlikely to get it all in pre, and should the action proceed to a 4bet jam, you can fold or just call the 4bet to see a flop and re-evaluate on future streets.

 

[quant1986]

Just 3bet pre and call standard 4bet size if villain reraised and fold to all in.

As played river should still be a call as villain could have 3bet all in with JJ to get max values from KT and A6s, even if you put him on zero bluff. If AA then it is a cooler to me under 200BB.

 

[Aballinamion]

PokerStars Zoom, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker - https://upswingpoker.com/replayer/624sUcsH3

UTG: $17.89 (179 bb)
MP: $16.84 (168 bb)
CO (Hero): $19.63 (196 bb)
BU: $19.94 (199 bb)
SB: $10.00 (100 bb)
BB: $10.48 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q♠ Q♣
1 fold, MP raises to $0.24, Hero calls $0.24, 2 players fold, BB calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.77) 6♣ Q♦ 6♥ (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.77) A♦ (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, BB calls $0.40

River: ($1.97) J♣ (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets $1.60, Hero raises to $4.14, BB folds, MP raises to $16.20 (all-in), CO (Hero) folds

Total pot: $10.25 (Rake: $0.46)
MP wins $9.79


I had QQ in the cutoff villain opens to 2,4 bb and I decide not to 3bet because we are 168BB deep and I dont want to get it in with QQ against an early position opener with more than 150 BB deep. So I call and the BB calls. I Flop a monster and decide to slowplay it on the flop so I check back. The turn is an ace and villain bets half pot. I decide to slowplay again and just call. On the river villain bets almost full pot. At this point I didn't know what to do. Should I just call or go for a raise fold or a raise call? I decided to go for a raise to get value from 10-k and JJ. Now villain shoves all in and I Decided to fold. My question is was my raise and my fold on the river right?

Hello there, good morning aesthetics how you doing? Hope is a nice day! 2020 is coming so happy new year and good holidays for you, friends and family.
Respect always and good luck at the tables!

Preflop line

I like our preflop line here. We can Cold Call with the Top of our range from time to time in position versus an EP raisor. But it will depend a lot on our stack sizes and who is our opponent.

Flop:

In the Flop I believe we cannot afford to slowplay a lot at the micros. We are just giving odds for our opponents to beat us. Besides, we are almost positive that the great majority of the field is not folding to anything, anyways, so we must try to build the pot.
We are Slow Playing in Cash Games a very few percentage of times. Most of times the most correct is put all the chips in the middle.

Turn/River

This is the classic scenario of the micros where we turn a huge value hand into a bluff. By following this line of Check/Call/Check-Raise. When you Raise your opponent in the River you gotta be sure that it can and will re-raise you. And when it does that you never know if you have the nuts.
Following your line of thought, in doubt I would just call, because the classic sentence goes here "when we get re-raised in the river, we are doomed".
We know this is not entirely truth, but it is very hard to call just because we have "a set", a "straight" or a "full-house".
Given the situation of the hand, Villain MP could have a lot of trash that decided to bluff here, because you played passively Preflop/Flop/Turn. (so, when you raise river it seems a float. And it will be very hard for Villain to put you on some QQ in a situation where you called preflop and checked flop).
Villain could have KQ, QJ, AQ, A6s (who knows?) JJ, AJ, KT, and random bluffs such some missing TT, 99, some crazy 6x, such as K6s, Q6s, we never know what the population of the micros are opening with.
IMO, in this River Villain has much more bluffs than values, or hands that are beated by your boat. There are only two hands that beat us in a situation like that (66 and AA) and I don't think Villain could have plenty of those.
But your fold is not the end of the world. Which bluffs would you be raising river in a situation like that? (If you had any).

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

 

[OmarRD7]

I'm really not a zoom specialist, but your hand is very interesting. So I will comment a little what I thought.
I understand that in zoom the ranges are much narrower, but the villain's opening was really very small and you have a position on MP and your range should increase that small aperture from preflop, to neutralize the rest of the active positions.
In addition, the fact that you are deep is an additional to play more aggressive, from dominant positions.
There was no action on the flop, which is expected given the texture of the board. Already on the turn, the villain's bet is quite standard and easy to call. On the river your final decision depends on what you saw in the villain's game. Obviously you placed it on a line 6-6 or A-A.
Either way, I think you chose a too small size of increase in the river. With that size, now villain could turn into a bluff any hand of value such as A-Ks / o; A-Qs / o; A-Js; J-J; or even with A-6, and represent with these hands 6-6 or A-A. On the other hand, when you invest approximately 25% of your stack, you are in a profitable area to achieve an correct fold.
The problem is that your rank is too strong to grant cheap implicit to this villain. For these cases, I recommend that you make a much larger increase in the river (for example 4.5 times the bet that MP made on the river) and then stack with a spr close to 1.
Greetings.

I dont like you're decisition not to 3bet. Being deep actually gives you more manuverbility postflop. If you get a 4bet you can easily call and play you're hand postflop IP wich is huge. To a jam you can still fold. An if you get a 3barell on a dry board you can still fold to a riverbarrel.

If you're not confindet playing deep, don't play deep. Cash out once you hit 120bb or so


As played I agree with you postflopplay until the river. Unless you have a read on villain that he's a huge nit it's allways a snapcall to the jam. He can certainly have a lot of worse hands wich player overplay at these stakes. I've seen people go broke there with AK...

So imo way to tight fold on the river.

Hello there, good morning aesthetics how you doing? Hope is a nice day! 2020 is coming so happy new year and good holidays for you, friends and family.
Respect always and good luck at the tables!

Preflop line

I like our preflop line here. We can Cold Call with the Top of our range from time to time in position versus an EP raisor. But it will depend a lot on our stack sizes and who is our opponent.

Flop:

In the Flop I believe we cannot afford to slowplay a lot at the micros. We are just giving odds for our opponents to beat us. Besides, we are almost positive that the great majority of the field is not folding to anything, anyways, so we must try to build the pot.
We are Slow Playing in Cash Games a very few percentage of times. Most of times the most correct is put all the chips in the middle.

Turn/River

This is the classic scenario of the micros where we turn a huge value hand into a bluff. By following this line of Check/Call/Check-Raise. When you Raise your opponent in the River you gotta be sure that it can and will re-raise you. And when it does that you never know if you have the nuts.
Following your line of thought, in doubt I would just call, because the classic sentence goes here "when we get re-raised in the river, we are doomed".
We know this is not entirely truth, but it is very hard to call just because we have "a set", a "straight" or a "full-house".
Given the situation of the hand, Villain MP could have a lot of trash that decided to bluff here, because you played passively Preflop/Flop/Turn. (so, when you raise river it seems a float. And it will be very hard for Villain to put you on some QQ in a situation where you called preflop and checked flop).
Villain could have KQ, QJ, AQ, A6s (who knows?) JJ, AJ, KT, and random bluffs such some missing TT, 99, some crazy 6x, such as K6s, Q6s, we never know what the population of the micros are opening with.
IMO, in this River Villain has much more bluffs than values, or hands that are beated by your boat. There are only two hands that beat us in a situation like that (66 and AA) and I don't think Villain could have plenty of those.
But your fold is not the end of the world. Which bluffs would you be raising river in a situation like that? (If you had any).

Regards;

Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa

I'm completely agree with Aballinamion, Gustav and Luepso. To add something new in my point of view (I'm newbie) I don't share your passivity in all streets.

With just seeing the villain playing in this hand, I would say he is a loose-aggressive player. He did a very small bet (less of 3BB) in EP. Then in F he checks, he raise in T when he saw A. So, maybe he had AJ, AT (very unlikely AQ because he checked the F). I don't think he was bluffing in the T with an A and Q in the board, so I see very unlikely he got JJ or smaller pocket pairs. I think he bets in T with KTs, he was doing a semi-bluff, because it's a good draw to play aggressive and his bet in T was not so big. And then 3bet all in thinking he got nuts with a straight. He thought that thanks to your passivity and small re-raise just in R. Maybe he thought you were a calling station making a bluff in R.

So, you really should re-raised in PF. That would made the villain get you have better hand in better position, and it's very important to know your opponent's range, and give them some idea what you got, and that you are going to make them loose money if they make a single mistake; re-raising would helped you with that.

Checking the F is not bad idea because you have a very strong hand if you would 3Bet that PF. Checking like you did was giving another free/cheap card to your opponent, and giving him hope to win. The same to the passivity in the Turn.

Resuming, you complicated your own hand appreciation, range and board texture when you passively played the PF and F. That gave to the villain enough strength to get a "strong" hand or strong bluff in R.

I hope this helps you! :idea:

 

[Vallet]

Most players with AA do not check the flop with three people on the hand. The opponent was putting a pre-flop and a turn when the ace came. You have well disguised full house. He couldn't have put you on that hand and would have been surprised at the showdown