$10 NLHE 6-max: Flush in deep stacks. Should we fold this?

[Denellus]

10NL zoom, effective stack is 208 bb, unknown villain.

pokerstars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: $10.76 (107.6 bb)
SB: $20.85 (208.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $24.97 (249.7 bb)
UTG: $22.50 (225 bb)
MP: $9.47 (94.7 bb)
CO: $10.90 (109 bb)

6 players post ante of $0.01, SB posts $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.21) Hero has
UTG raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.96, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.50, SB raises to $1.86, Hero calls $1.86, fold

Turn: ($5.18, 2 players)
SB bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60

River: ($10.38, 2 players)
SB bets $16.08 and is all-in, Hero?

 

[1player2]

10NL zoom, effective stack is 208 bb, unknown villain.

PokerStars - $0.10 Ante $0.01 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: $10.76 (107.6 bb)
SB: $20.85 (208.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $24.97 (249.7 bb)
UTG: $22.50 (225 bb)
MP: $9.47 (94.7 bb)
CO: $10.90 (109 bb)

6 players post ante of $0.01, SB posts $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.21) Hero has
UTG raises to $0.30, 3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.96, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $0.50, SB raises to $1.86, Hero calls $1.86, fold

Turn: ($5.18, 2 players)
SB bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60

River: ($10.38, 2 players)
SB bets $16.08 and is all-in, Hero?

Hello,


I would call the river shove. The river shove looks like a bluff. If he had the nut flush I'd expect less of a bet. He could have many hands you beat. I'd call.

 

[fundiver199]

Its a rough spot, when you are deep, but I tend to agree with Brett R. His value range is very thin, since he should not be calling to many suited hands out of SB against an UTG open. He should be pocket pair heavy or have hands like KQs/KJs/QJs, which are kind of to good to fold, but if he 3-bets out of position, he mostly gets action from better and fold out worse.

So how many flush combos can he even have? And if he did make a casual call with J9s or 98s, would he even pile it in like this? If he can only have like 3 combos for value, and there is any chance, he might be bluffing with Kc or Qc, or overplaying a set, then this has to be a call.

It sucks, if you ran into a flush over flush, but rather than folding I would prefer to have taken chips of the table and not sit with 200+ BB. Coolers are more painfull, when you get taken for 2-3 buyins at a time rather than just 1. If you are playing 10NL Zoom, you are probably practicing or trying to build your first bankroll. And in that situation is there really any advantage in playing deep? Speaking from personal (painfull) experience, I would say no.

 

[quant1986]

I think this is likely an exploitative fold OTR, given your range should be very tight calling SB check raise after UTG cbet.

 

[Vallet]

It's very, very aggressive. Don't rush to make a call here. Three players are on the flop, and SB is playing a check raise. It is important for you to answer the question. Why is he trying to build up such a big pot? He has received information that you have a strong hand on the flop and is teasing you. Are you willing to pay for it to see a high flush?