$10 NLHE 6-max: My biggest loss so far... New player... Could you advise

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Is there anything I should have done differently here, what should I be thinking about with second pair on the flop top kicker and when the 3rd 9 comes out?


PokerStars Hand #203861709100: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2019/09/02 7:57:35 WET [2019/09/02 2:57:35 ET]

Table 'La Silla' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 021938 ($16.68 in chips)
Seat 2: xtcwarmaster ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: ZFVaan ($12.47 in chips)
Seat 4: chappers888 ($8.85 in chips)
Seat 5: betinvest4 ($10 in chips)
Seat 6: Goeffel88 ($9 in chips)
Goeffel88: posts small blind $0.05
021938: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chappers888 [9h As]
xtcwarmaster: folds
ZFVaan: raises $0.20 to $0.30
chappers888: calls $0.30
betinvest4: calls $0.30
Goeffel88: folds
021938: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ts 9c 2d]
ZFVaan: bets $0.70
chappers888: raises $0.70 to $1.40
betinvest4: calls $1.40
ZFVaan: calls $0.70
*** TURN *** [Ts 9c 2d] 9
ZFVaan: checks
chappers888: bets $1.80
betinvest4: calls $1.80
ZFVaan: calls $1.80
*** RIVER *** [Ts 9c 2d 9d] J♠
ZFVaan: checks
chappers888: bets $5.35 and is all-in
betinvest4: raises $1.15 to $6.50 and is all-in
ZFVaan: folds
Uncalled bet ($1.15) returned to betinvest4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
betinvest4: shows [Td Tc] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
chappers888: shows [9h As] (three of a kind, Nines)
betinvest4 collected $20.39 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.35 | Rake $0.96
Board [Ts 9c 2d 9d Js]
Seat 1: 021938 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: xtcwarmaster folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ZFVaan folded on the River
Seat 4: chappers888 showed [9h As] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: betinvest4 (button) showed [Td Tc] and won ($20.39) with a full house, Tens full of Nines
Seat 6: Goeffel88 (small blind) folded before Flop
 
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That river is tricky. KQ gets there, but I'd say you are committed on the river. If he got there, kudos to him, but you need to get value from worse here.

He played it perfectly: lets you take control of the betting and traps you. From your viewpoint he could have had Tx or J8s, 78s, 9x in the SB when he called. He shows no strength until you put all your chips in.

Unfortunate hand.
 
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dunno how to undo text in the center.

This hand is extremely hard to read and overall entire hand is absolute mess.


To begin with that is a fold pre flop unless you have some reads.


On the flop you have medium strength hand. When you click it back i have no idea what crosses your mind, i just assume you are ready to stack off and pay him your entire stack in a 3 way pot. While indeed you gain the control of pot (usually), you still value owning yourself. I have not much to say more tbh.


On the turn you hit absolute best card in a deck and you start betting small (?!?!?), you clearly should start pumping money into the pot asap and charging draws if they want to continue along with strong Tx.


As played on the river you have a clear jam on the river.


Summary:​
Be uber tight pre flop, there is no need to put any money in the pot when you dont have a good chance of winning!​
dont play Ace rag pre flop when there is raiser pre flop who is not maniac!
Flop think about ranges and what you accomplish with different lines.
Turn. Evaluate how dynamically changed the board (the more possible draws completed the bigger you want to bet usually). With medium strength hands you want to be doing a lot of checking and calling, playing aggressively only draws and top of your range.
River. Be honest, you usually will end up against strong range on the river, so no need to continue your story in order to fold out many hands, as you usually will face a strong part of the range.
Another tip, absolutely bomb it every time you have the nuts, here you will have to trust me (it is almost ALWAYS better to bomb it rather than bet small with nuts in the long run, as our primary focus is not to lose money in the learning stages).


When you start getting good at these basic tips start constructing your ranges for different stages of the game (pre flop and every street of post flop along with sizings).
Good Luck in your Journey.!​
 
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First of all I suggest, you use a hand history converter, and out of courtesy for the other players let the converter mask the player names. I have played many 1.000s of hands on pokerstars against the guy, who won this hand, and while its fun for me to know, who it was, its not entirely fair for him. Not that its shocking to me, that he played his set this way, but its still information, I could possibly use, next time I see him on the tables.

https://upswingpoker.com/convert/

Anyways on to the hand. Preflop this is just a fold, as other people have already written. When someone else has already opened a pot, you need higher standards for, what hands you can enter with, and A9o is just not good enough against a HJ open.

On the flop it would be standard to continue here, if it was heads up, but because its 3-ways, you need higher standards for, which hands you continue with. The original raiser is much less likely to be bluffing, when he is out of position against two players, and there is also a risk, you could be behind to the player left to act after you.

So once again you should just fold. Instead you raised, and that is actually turning your hand into, what is sometimes called a value bluff. You have a hand, that could possibly be best, but if you raise it, you are pretty sure, you only get action, when you are behind. Value bluffing is something, you want to avoid, because as Doug Polk said in a recent video, its pretty bad.

Unfortunately you improved on the turn, and at this point its difficult to get away from trips with top kicker, especially when there are not really any draws, that got there. Its probably better to check the river, but in reality he then jam, and you end up calling it off, so he would still have stacked you.

So the lessons, you need to take away from this hand, is, that you need higher standards preflop, and you need higher standards on the flop in multiway pots. You kind of created your own cooler here, because you got to the turn with a hand, that should not have made it that far.

Also you might want to move down to 2NL or 5NL, so you can learn the game a bit cheaper facing softer competition. This guy, who stacked you, is a pretty solid regular, and based on this hand history you are not yet quite ready to face competition on this level.
 
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First of all I suggest, you use a hand history converter, and out of courtesy for the other players let the converter mask the player names. I have played many 1.000s of hands on PokerStars against the guy, who won this hand, and while its fun for me to know, who it was, its not entirely fair for him. Not that its shocking to me, that he played his set this way, but its still information, I could possibly use, next time I see him on the tables.

https://upswingpoker.com/convert/

Anyways on to the hand. Preflop this is just a fold, as other people have already written. When someone else has already opened a pot, you need higher standards for, what hands you can enter with, and A9o is just not good enough against a HJ open.

On the flop it would be standard to continue here, if it was heads up, but because its 3-ways, you need higher standards for, which hands you continue with. The original raiser is much less likely to be bluffing, when he is out of position against two players, and there is also a risk, you could be behind to the player left to act after you.

So once again you should just fold. Instead you raised, and that is actually turning your hand into, what is sometimes called a value bluff. You have a hand, that could possibly be best, but if you raise it, you are pretty sure, you only get action, when you are behind. Value bluffing is something, you want to avoid, because as Doug Polk said in a recent video, its pretty bad.

Unfortunately you improved on the turn, and at this point its difficult to get away from trips with top kicker, especially when there are not really any draws, that got there. Its probably better to check the river, but in reality he then jam, and you end up calling it off, so he would still have stacked you.

So the lessons, you need to take away from this hand, is, that you need higher standards preflop, and you need higher standards on the flop in multiway pots. You kind of created your own cooler here, because you got to the turn with a hand, that should not have made it that far.

Also you might want to move down to 2NL or 5NL, so you can learn the game a bit cheaper facing softer competition. This guy, who stacked you, is a pretty solid regular, and based on this hand history you are not yet quite ready to face competition on this level.



Ya forgot the main part, move down the stakes asap! you dont have to pay this much to gain experience!
Glad you pointed it out!
 
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Recently a friend of mine who is trying to get a little better at poker (so he isn't forced to play blackjack or craps every time he goes to the casino) asked me what he can do to immediately improve his game. My advice to him was simple: learn how to fold.

Folding is one of the most important things new players can learn to do (especially preflop). A9o preflop, while facing a raise, is a pretty standard fold even in 6-max. The rest is just noise.
 
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Recently a friend of mine who is trying to get a little better at poker (so he isn't forced to play blackjack or craps every time he goes to the casino) asked me what he can do to immediately improve his game. My advice to him was simple: learn how to fold.

Folding is one of the most important things new players can learn to do (especially preflop). A9o preflop, while facing a raise, is a pretty standard fold even in 6-max. The rest is just noise.


I really agree with that. While preflop mistakes are generally cheap, because the pot is small, they add up, because preflop happen every single hand. According to PokerSnowie the expected EV of this call is negative 0,65BB, so if you make this kind of mistake with 10% of your hands, that will cut 6,5 BB / 100 out of your winrate. And in a game like 10NL, that might turn you from a small winning to a small losing player!

Especially when you are new to the game, being to loose also put you in sticky situations postflop, where you hit some costly second best hands. The boat vs. trips is a bit whatever, that could be classified as a cooler. But we also flopped second pair against two other players, and that is not a kind of hand, we actively want to try and hit. In fact that is the main reason, why the expected EV is negative 0,65BB. A9o has, what is called reverse implied odds against the opening range of HJ. On AXX he has us outkicked, on T9X he has top pair or an overpair. Learning to get rid of these second rank offsuit hands, that mostly flop a bad pair, is one of the best things, you can do for your winrate.
 
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